From eyeonus@gmail.com Wed Mar 03 15:49:42 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com ([74.125.82.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NmyJs-0006ho-9X for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:49:42 -0800 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39so1138173wyb.40 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:49:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Dg5xnQyLBIRXywHfmppblx/F1QtT4AzKBmLPAV0l6dM=; b=lV07+MwbJnGmkQeX0DrnxNi/uIaN3Xn5pUSttoorBVGm5Yq3MbCZjCXNkTP/+JazW8 Qu/2gIvICwzh+Cc3t9cWXvLtTaL8UHNdV4WpOTrCRbGoqErEEFB/w6WgYuD2WlYBQ/Eb xxH/QgZ9uXWbsJXn2x90Jk9oVBWhmUzJ9sAUQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=MpWbs9KcWWyT892yUW/H92muVANrPqT6mUpgQw43qMnRIblD6z7w4P7ZwazIXHUA6h re++1ymo2eA2qOZBC9vcOwuxihEP+ZU7UOKEWDqTbqaKfw96xVhZ4iv18r3s+ULVdiJw zaW6hKo0DXfeByMxqtbFxRF8CfX9icMOSR/Dg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.133 with SMTP id e5mr505956wef.23.1267660169287; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:49:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20100303220721.GX1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031457i5f3bafe0w7df2dfa49ad6dc0b@mail.gmail.com> <20100303230307.GA1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031510l1c53a9e1yc192b2ffdf99cbeb@mail.gmail.com> <20100303231339.GC1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031536n376e5d09r1c817a5d0b67ceb2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 16:49:29 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1003031549t375a0e02p6fffb63a6ff3d59a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: More espeak words, please. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dab0521619350480ee22b5 --0016e6dab0521619350480ee22b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dag Odenhall wrote: > Did you miss these? > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Simple+gismu+B > http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oblique_keywords.txt > > No. I'm using the ones from the Simple gismu pages, it just takes time to copy them all over- I've gotten to {kijno} so far. As far as the oblique keywords- it's not anymore useful than the jbofi'e phrases, and in some ways is less so, due to the bit about having the "[gismu][#];" bit in front, and since the jbofi'e phrases are already on the sheet, it's rather pointless. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell > > wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:10:48PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> > The list of the items is finished, the definitions for Smart.fm are > >> > not. > >> > In point of fact, there are exactly three areas that are not > >> > finished- the > >> > audio for the entries, > >> > >> Yep. > >> > >> > the simplified definitions for Smart.fm for about 70% of the > >> > items, > >> > >> Trivially producable from jbofihe data. I still want someone to > >> explain to me why we're simplifying them in the first place? > >> > > Oi, I've already said why. The gismu definitions need to be simplified > > because, 1) The definitions from the gismu list are, more often than not, > > too long for Smart.fm's cards, so they need to be shortened to fit, and > 2) > > They non-vocal punctuation needs to be edited out. > > > > For this reason the definition for bakfu, which in the gismu list is "x1 > is > > a bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack [shape/form] containing x2, held > > together by x3", becomes "x1 is a bundle or pack containing x2 held > together > > by x3" > > The reason the sumti-fied gismu need to edited is because the phrasing > > jbofi'e uses is quite often very awkward if not downright confusing. The > > phrase jbofi'e returns for {lo te bakfu} is"any/some hold-er(s) of > bundle", > > which can easily be confused for "a person holding a bundle", which is > > wrong, as the x5 of {bakfu} is "what is holding a pack together". > > Quite a lot of the entries can be used almost as is, but they still need > to > > be gone through for that very reason. > > > >> > >> > and the adding of the items to Smart.fm with audio, which > >> > apparently we are still not to do as Smart.fm hasn't added > >> > "Lojban" to the language list yet. > >> > >> It's actually in the system now, just not in the right places. :) > >> I'm talking to them about it. > >> > >> -Robin > >> > >> -- > >> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > >> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > >> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > lojban-list-request@lojban.org > >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or > if > >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6dab0521619350480ee22b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Dag Odenhall <dag.odenhall@g= mail.com> wrote:
Did you miss these?

htt= p://www.lojban.org/tiki/Simple+gismu+B
http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/oblique_k= eywords.txt

No. I&#= 39;m using the ones from the Simple gismu pages, it just takes time to copy= them all over- I've gotten to {kijno} so far.

As far as the oblique keywords- it's not anymore useful than the jbofi&= #39;e phrases, and in some ways is less so, due to the bit about having the= "[gismu][#];" bit in front, and since the jbofi'e phrases ar= e already on the sheet, it's rather pointless.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkin= gdom.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:10:48PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > =A0 =A0The list of the items is finished, the definitions for= Smart.fm are
>> > not.
>> > =A0 =A0In point of fact, there are exactly three areas that a= re not
>> > finished- the
>> > =A0 =A0audio for the entries,
>>
>> Yep.
>>
>> > the simplified definitions for Smart.fm for about 70% of the<= br> >> > items,
>>
>> Trivially producable from jbofihe data. =A0I still want someone to=
>> explain to me why we're simplifying them in the first place? >>
> Oi, I've already said why. The gismu definitions need to be simpli= fied
> because, 1) The definitions from the gismu list are, more often than n= ot,
> too long for Smart.fm's cards, so they need to be shortened to fit= , and 2)
> They non-vocal punctuation needs to be edited out.
>
> For this reason the definition for bakfu, which in the gismu list is &= quot;x1 is
> a bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack [shape/form] containing x2, held > together by x3", becomes "x1 is a bundle or pack containing = x2 held together
> by x3"
> The reason the sumti-fied gismu need to edited is because the phrasing=
> jbofi'e uses is quite often very awkward if not downright confusin= g. The
> phrase jbofi'e returns for {lo te bakfu} is"any/some hold-er(= s) of bundle",
> which can easily be confused for "a person holding a bundle"= , which is
> wrong, as the x5 of {bakfu} is "what is holding a pack together&q= uot;.
> Quite a lot of the entries can be used almost as is, but they still ne= ed to
> be gone through for that very reason.
>
>>
>> > and the adding of the items to Smart.fm with audio, which
>> > apparently we are still not to do as Smart.fm hasn't adde= d
>> > "Lojban" to the language list yet.
>>
>> It's actually in the system now, just not in the right places.= =A0:)
>> I'm talking to them about it.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>> --
>> They say: =A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as = weapons."
>> And I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to try= for something
>> other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz=
>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org
>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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