From 3Lp-vSwsJBsgoro0.5owDs1u0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com Sun Mar 28 11:26:19 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Lp-vSwsJBsgoro0.5owDs1u0owz.q20z2xpo1u22uzsu52836.q20@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NvxBc-0006lt-Kd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:26:18 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf14719945vws.16 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:26:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to:cc :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url :x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RKSnOSWwpEzC8IATU1G8FoAntwJiApdOCIwl0Yw56yc=; b=tyCxjnV+CEvx+U0f82VUaeTrOxjua+tj02bq/fwxD5mkDZOL1OOZtSZUidq37U4DEF 2wmlvAKctSj4gCmwhHk1UktBArQ+gOT5TP8hD2l1N1GpwoKcxug8zfcpN/PXVd1Wh61y s+lBJrswuT/If8EhLikh5VVbpT3njvggbblas= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=qcNFwvZJjocViWU1HHwC9WRL54wFEP32im4DwQQWGEJ/+2bmL77TklpyXZjnSKU3W5 mjT9glPkVxg8ACmh6ZREuvhy/aOHpOHoGTu7uXMpk431S8npSjv4SyMqxM/UZJ/I9yQ1 XM7C0wGJZIfSxELbclvZXv1ROWvQ+q58nMfPM= Received: by 10.220.121.221 with SMTP id i29mr331377vcr.1.1269800750890; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.174.133 with SMTP id t5ls2280456vcz.2.p; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.4.37 with SMTP id 37mr966119vcp.16.1269800749861; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.4.37 with SMTP id 37mr966118vcp.16.1269800749833; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f190.google.com (mail-yw0-f190.google.com [209.85.211.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 29si8207340vws.2.2010.03.28.11.25.48; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adam.raizen@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.190; Received: by ywh28 with SMTP id 28so3965020ywh.8 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.119.5 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6B3DDDFE-901C-4F09-9D60-C0EEA821D33F@gmail.com> References: <44766EDC-06BC-4C51-BFEB-15C7E8893161@gmail.com> <702226df1003281009v16765b67t15164adbc68e98d@mail.gmail.com> <6B3DDDFE-901C-4F09-9D60-C0EEA821D33F@gmail.com> From: "Adam Mesha (Raizen)" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:25:28 +0300 Received: by 10.90.60.8 with SMTP id i8mr1194618aga.86.1269800748090; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 11:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. To: Michael Everson Cc: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adam.raizen@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adam.raizen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: adam.raizen@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a828ff04817ae72c Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363100238686b40482e08655 --0016363100238686b40482e08655 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 21:11, Michael Everson wrote: > And yet there is no particular utility in this convention. It just looks > LIKE SHOUTING. Spanish, one of the source languges for Lojban vocabulary, > uses the acute accent to mark anomalous stress. If one does that, then one > may be free to use capitalization in the conventional way it is used in > other Latin-script languages. This enhances the readability of a text to > anyone used to the convention (as most of us have been since we were four or > five years of age). > Using only characters that are in the ASCII character set was a design goal of the standard Lojban orthography, and an acute accent mark does not fit with that design goal. (Lojban was designed by Americans :-). As for the rest of the punctuation, I would say that while standard Lojban has some conventions that are quite unusual in comparison to most languages that use the Latin alphabet, once you have gotten used to them (and everyone who has studied the language a bit has gotten used to them), then using more typical Latin-script conventions with Lojban text looks just as strange as standard Lojban looks to someone like you who isn't used to it. -- Adam Mesha (Raizen) Timendi causa est nescire. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016363100238686b40482e08655 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 21:11, = Michael Everson <michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:
And yet there is no particular utility in this convention. It just looks LI= KE SHOUTING. Spanish, one of the source languges for Lojban vocabulary, use= s the acute accent to mark anomalous stress. If one does that, then one may= be free to use capitalization in the conventional way it is used in other = Latin-script languages. This enhances the readability of a text to anyone u= sed to the convention (as most of us have been since we were four or five y= ears of age).

Using only characters that are in the ASCII characte= r set was a design goal of the standard Lojban orthography, and an acute ac= cent mark does not fit with that design goal. (Lojban was designed by Ameri= cans :-).

As for the rest of the punctuation, I would say that while standard Loj= ban has some conventions that are quite unusual in comparison to most langu= ages that use the Latin alphabet, once you have gotten used to them (and ev= eryone who has studied the language a bit has gotten used to them), then us= ing more typical Latin-script conventions with Lojban text looks just as st= range as standard Lojban looks to someone like you who isn't used to it= .

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Adam Mesha (Raizen) <adam.raizen@gmail.com>
Timendi causa est nescire.

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