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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <20100328193022.GH6600@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:52:28 +0100 Message-Id: <22BA6CBB-3B28-468B-97FC-AAE24D5D0F4D@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF7446.6070008@gmail.com> <6053DB40-92FF-402B-AEE0-78CE947F9D9E@gmail.com> <20100328193022.GH6600@digitalkingdom.org> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a027e4c22b27e3ab Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 28 Mar 2010, at 20:30, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> Jonathan wrote {la.parIs.} but it would seem to me to be unlikely that t= his represents [la=CA=94pa=CB=88ris=CA=94] with a glottal stop before the [= p] and after the [s].=20 >=20 > Actually, that's *exactly* what it represents. >=20 > Having learned a little bit about what our typograhpic conventions actual= ly *mean* might result in less hostility. I have read and understood the relevant sections in What is Lojban? (which = John Cowan gave me in 2003) as well as http://www.lojban.org/publications/r= eference_grammar/chapter3.html A "pause" is not the same thing as a "glottal stop", and both [=CA=94p] and= final [s=CA=94] are quite unlikely segments; the first would tend towards = becoming a glottalized [p=E2=80=99] and the second... well, is really like = following [s] with a cough, which I don't think is the description you inte= nd. Is it? Of course [la=CA=94 pa] is not particularly unusual. I might point out that= I also speak Danish (not as a native) and I'm pretty good with unusual [= =CA=94] placement. I don't feel in the least bit hostile. :-) Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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