From 3drevSwUIBikHTbFSHHNQ.TWLQTOGFSLTTLQJLWTZUX.HTR@groups.bounces.google.com Sun Mar 28 13:09:56 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com ([209.85.221.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3drevSwUIBikHTbFSHHNQ.TWLQTOGFSLTTLQJLWTZUX.HTR@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nvyns-0006iw-1a for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:09:55 -0700 Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42sf4211906qyk.7 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:09:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:date:to:cc:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=aR39v7UQS0OMu+fZjER+wYyFSRC9e/UFfDStefocBRM=; b=ra13pwm1omMfU2C/fNrESA6SXeG5SMSiqYP0V9Ui9IBo6jz1njo03mnnL+Ul06q69U AHuzoCq4jge+cI87G+V5eBdGuXUmQ2dZ+h8+cNpcG/v0SaQjFxlaDe0ZsZLv6GqjLpoK 8o8Gsq8XNM8aaDVjEuWpPUipwuAzZdDoN/0QU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=4dcnN5lANIOZ1iH2/yRpEvXPqrZojVriCbQIJvmi5f7uwDnZqrcDmtfiSnsKykHES3 WVOkHeF3i4Pkpb0r+X0QxKWtUbenTDTUZoa5n+lsCsjfSQ0zcxltQvrxgtKJDi9yOytC jZFtdemC25AcUyLn3uq44aY8AYDzPMi/QDdYo= Received: by 10.229.14.133 with SMTP id g5mr139260qca.23.1269806966197; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.38.138 with SMTP id b10ls5087329qae.4.p; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.79.218 with SMTP id q26mr520591qak.29.1269806874540; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:07:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.161.81 with SMTP id q17mr972643vcx.21.1269806447183; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.161.81 with SMTP id q17mr972642vcx.21.1269806447160; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si8383685vws.5.2010.03.28.13.00.47; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:00:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Nvyf8-0002W6-Ar; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:00:46 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:00:46 -0400 To: Matt Arnold Cc: Evertype , lojban Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: la .alis. Message-ID: <20100328200046.GO15103@mercury.ccil.org> References: <425e4ac21002011729t4b51c16epd167881bb4293ce2@mail.gmail.com> <20100202020339.GA1952@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: John Cowan X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/f6eb5d08fee85068 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c9473ba495300c4a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Matt Arnold scripsit: > I would welcome publishing Alice in Wonderland in Lojban. As you point > out, that already exists. If you want to publish it the way you > describe, that's fine-- so long as you don't call it Lojban, because > it isn't. > > If you capitalize proper names and the start of sentences, it's not > Lojban. [snip] > Matt Arnold > President, Board of Directors, Logical Language Group Matt, when you write like this, you're implying that you speak for the Board. Has the Board met and voted on this point? In any case, I very strongly disagree with your claims here. We have all sorts of orthographies for Lojban by now, from Cyrillic to Tengwar, and nobody says that they are "not Lojban". I think I understand why some people don't like a traditional-Latin orthography: it's an instance of "the uncanny valley", just enough like what you're used to to be upsetting. But the very fact that the two orthographies are isomorphic shows that the essential Lojbanity of the text is preserved. (Which is to say nothing about the fact that the text isn't exactly straight down the middle semantically.) -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan Rather than making ill-conceived suggestions for improvement based on uninformed guesses about established conventions in a field of study with which familiarity is limited, it is sometimes better to stick to merely observing the usage and listening to the explanations offered, inserting only questions as needed to fill in gaps in understanding. --Peter Constable -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.