From 3d7uvSwUIBi4MYgKXMMSV.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com Sun Mar 28 13:27:00 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com ([209.85.221.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3d7uvSwUIBi4MYgKXMMSV.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nvz4R-0007fX-Ah for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:27:00 -0700 Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42sf4230233qyk.7 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:26:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:date:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dluK5wUc/BDoQ9Tt4VjBCzZDGWnxsGDwuJGNYAMJBBU=; b=ZrxiCvyPreEr32zof67gmhXVQNDE1INZQkQ/Rh4tkp/VSOv9DDwEJtfpSFj6EYMmeB wXnbKd7hDDrIUYyV2FPrqADpnih756hru4rcf8sTlxazk1QAu4SXCbTEkqisObBZgw/h D2bkBvAYXFEWJJjArZI0gAvCryqbahLztbDzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=rRTBVGAZbdWpPHqwrQnAtkmt306rshZPSihUGOeYzb08z+pm9jj5vMLM049mx3YvpY Ji0j6rfsq3I9pj6hPb+vPM4bgKWMUV/FYr518hUggwVEvOgVHdYcGzFLmFhvda9L+OQg cdHDP48Wlnvlex7yuPUjAywraAItOXFDiDgXA= Received: by 10.224.10.167 with SMTP id p39mr201538qap.40.1269807991463; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:26:31 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.72.35 with SMTP id k35ls4631384qaj.2.p; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.66.153 with SMTP id n25mr526671qai.2.1269807988722; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.81.69 with SMTP id w5mr966715vck.26.1269807695434; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.81.69 with SMTP id w5mr966714vck.26.1269807695399; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from earth.ccil.org (earth.ccil.org [192.190.237.11]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si8422477vws.5.2010.03.28.13.21.35; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 13:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) client-ip=192.190.237.11; Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NvyzH-0004rL-46 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:21:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:21:35 -0400 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. Message-ID: <20100328202134.GR15103@mercury.ccil.org> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF7446.6070008@gmail.com> <6053DB40-92FF-402B-AEE0-78CE947F9D9E@gmail.com> <20100328193022.GH6600@digitalkingdom.org> <22BA6CBB-3B28-468B-97FC-AAE24D5D0F4D@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <22BA6CBB-3B28-468B-97FC-AAE24D5D0F4D@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: John Cowan X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of cowan@ccil.org designates 192.190.237.11 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cowan@ccil.org X-Original-Sender: cowan@ccil.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/3864da148533bb8b Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Michael Everson scripsit: > A "pause" is not the same thing as a "glottal stop", and both [=CA=94p] a= nd > final [s=CA=94] are quite unlikely segments; the first would tend towards > becoming a glottalized [p=E2=80=99] and the second... well, is really lik= e > following [s] with a cough, which I don't think is the description > you intend. Is it? Glottal stop and pause are allophones in free variation. In pronouncing "la .paris.", my tendency is to realize the first period as a glottal stop in the coda of the previous syllable, /la?/, and then to realize the second period as a true pause. --=20 John Cowan cowan@ccil.org http://ccil.org/~cowan You cannot enter here. Go back to the abyss prepared for you! Go back! Fall into the nothingness that awaits you and your Master. Go! --Gandalf --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.