From 3Z8evSwgSBioXRVUcKRRJOMOZGRQOTMJUS.UXMRUPHGTMUUMRKMXUaVY.IUS@groups.bounces.google.com Sun Mar 28 14:17:52 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f145.google.com ([209.85.222.145]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Z8evSwgSBioXRVUcKRRJOMOZGRQOTMJUS.UXMRUPHGTMUUMRKMXUaVY.IUS@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nvzrg-00023o-IQ for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:51 -0700 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9sf1567744pzk.28 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=2F8NeuyaoeVbnlB1S0csRiM14z1rWWaz8WWioJO+WJA=; b=GTGa1CGiW5qL1uMsFGzrNyYW2ePoEe6goeMXc/mqcZ/LXFGfaPG1f5ornu656TTdXT BgequTi8EA6HA7+J6s5qYdODouQAJ+L1vCoNJLTTSgeqQpdE9jBP7XQZ+eojSdp7+U8s QPKBG67AH/kAv7eabfOwKx9OCSEpDQkuhQFbY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=V5hzwFqrdIJQaVZ/GpP6MMmSBxv+zo7cc532Gs8ohgGxA2CsLpuy9RX9zT7hnhC+8r 40Hr1h1QlDs43dWELONRaxCOXptaVTUDxVetRnmG0nDtWGJH33ycf76Fv5mr+yVjIlax vn51l3UZxIVns/fsnSvlzM4sGdx0MMdY5pEDg= Received: by 10.115.101.12 with SMTP id d12mr194686wam.16.1269811047044; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.117.28 with SMTP id u28ls2714051wam.1.p; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.3.15 with SMTP id 15mr786456wac.27.1269811045507; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.3.15 with SMTP id 15mr786455wac.27.1269811045487; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si881441pzk.14.2010.03.28.14.17.25; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.10 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.10; Received: (qmail 7095 invoked from network); 28 Mar 2010 21:17:25 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 28 Mar 2010 21:17:24 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NvzrI-00022a-9O for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:24 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 14:17:24 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. Message-ID: <20100328211724.GQ6600@digitalkingdom.org> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF7446.6070008@gmail.com> <20100328192909.GG6600@digitalkingdom.org> <20100328200611.GP15103@mercury.ccil.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20100328200611.GP15103@mercury.ccil.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.10 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/895407be8bab7e0e Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 04:06:11PM -0400, John Cowan wrote: > Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > > > I'll speak up (briefly, since it wasn't requested) for that > > side: I won't buy a book claiming to be Lojban that uses > > seriously non-Lojban-standard typographic conventions, and I > > will decry it to anyone who asks. > > Dude. You never heard of "All publicity is good publicity"? I have. I think it's a crock of shit. If a board member was arrested for beating children and a news article said that ey was a member of a "strange, made-up language named Lojban", this would *NOT* be good publicity. More relevantly to the matter at hand, see my previous post; I really really don't want to have to deal with a crop of newbies using some slaughtered Latin orthography because they have a book to point at so they can tell me I'm wrong and it's OK. > I don't see you decrying "la .alis." because of the xorxes-anity > of the text. Going through it *specifically* for that purpose has been on my to-do list since it was published. The main reason I haven't done it yet is that the BPFK needs to finish before I will even *know* what in xorban and what isn't. Also, it's *Alice*. I *expect* a bunch of weird uses and coinings and grammatical errors and suchlike; anything else would be a bad translation. Seperate issue, though; last I looked (many years ago) there are somethings in there that are pure xorban, and that I was Very Much Unhappy With. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.