From 3WfSvSwoJBkkuuwwlxmtl3rxltw.nzxwzumlyrzzrwpr2z503.nzx@groups.bounces.google.com Sun Mar 28 17:29:41 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3WfSvSwoJBkkuuwwlxmtl3rxltw.nzxwzumlyrzzrwpr2z503.nzx@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nw2rH-0004pN-Jr for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:41 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf15468429vws.16 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gOizI5E0WghgaozPNKR1VOovnlzPiCB3Zyk9yjY0h+E=; b=6Y/+PQ5inufkhnoRWv71f/3R90xuT8Fk+KoYuz48EiWffw/O2hKENnYNHMRup2Er6Q xkazGNGoAlFL4icJLpNCOclDgvw+PU8VguCevAU4mdJu+9pjLDe1Lknc1QgzQtZtCETB muVdnGxR8jJ9CBc86sBX2Gi1epUPL4Xn4R3dM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=06y4IyJoThKTmIN6teU6G9AFs6VUS4aGPnVQWrqPZV4S8ECLMAX9dtVPE8J3AaHFfT 4af7HcuKfFraFTeyceQn2+AnhzWLPn2wIcPTOnipn3uXQbDud6uocDlZSDoTaHHn7n4Z 0EjMDxLog8HWiB+R5jAj9vXYalW+J87nROskE= Received: by 10.220.108.223 with SMTP id g31mr156958vcp.35.1269822553809; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.174.133 with SMTP id t5ls2320248vcz.2.p; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.66.105 with SMTP id m41mr1007115vci.23.1269822550462; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.66.105 with SMTP id m41mr1007114vci.23.1269822550440; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.221.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si8874516vws.4.2010.03.28.17.29.09; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.177; Received: by mail-qy0-f177.google.com with SMTP id 7so7687193qyk.17 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.12 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100328192909.GG6600@digitalkingdom.org> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF7446.6070008@gmail.com> <20100328192909.GG6600@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:29:09 -0300 Received: by 10.229.38.74 with SMTP id a10mr2787910qce.103.1269822549181; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 17:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17561003281729t30ffbfcbge6209c18f8d01d36@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/2d78d1a81939844d Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > There is an exception, however: I care very little about how stress > is indicated. =A0Stress marking (specifically between using caps or > using an accent mark) has been a long-standing point of largely > non-acrimonious discussion; as far as I can tell, that's an issue on > which the community is somewhat divided, but no-one really cares all > that much. And it would be silly anyway to waste much time discussing that particular issue for Alice, since as Michael pointed out it affects a single word in the whole book. (Which chapter does the name appear, BTW? I can't seem to find it.) I think the only place caps are used in the translation is in: lu la'e di'u krinu le nu zo CILRE cmene i jdika le ka temci kei lo cacra be li ba'e CI ca ro djedi be li ba'e RE li'u Italics is probably a much better idea than caps for that. > Contrast this with using captials to mark the beginning of sentences > or proper names which, as And says, is very much not-OK to most > Lojbanists. It does look weird once you get used to no caps. But I think the more interesting typographical question for Alice is not so much the use of capitals, but how to mark dialogue/quotes. I find lu"..."li'u quite hideous. I much prefer =ABlu ... li'u=BB, which I think is what the ju'i lobypli used to use. Maybe something like this: i =ABlu uo =97sei la .alis. pensi=97 ba lo nu farlu tai ti kei mi na ba xanka le nu farlu fo le serti .i =ABlu ua virnu =97sei le lanzu tu'a mi ba jinvi li'u=BB .i .u'o mi noda cusku va'o ji'asai le nu mi farlu fi le drudi be le zdani (tosa'a la'e di'u la'a jetnu toi) li'u=BB mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.