From 3nAWwSwcJBp0IVQIBPTDJ7FI.9LJILG87KDLLDIBDOLRMP.9LJ@groups.bounces.google.com Sun Mar 28 18:43:17 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3nAWwSwcJBp0IVQIBPTDJ7FI.9LJILG87KDLLDIBDOLRMP.9LJ@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nw40X-0000HV-VU for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:43:17 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf15610028vws.16 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:43:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0NybZ2oe6uVj32XBXoM117ZSspAu752lBFQJplWmFDo=; b=y1DXBj4UJalNMpqtPMb//d8nkgv+GoRz+JUl4/v4GAX0y8aEaDOOVZcif8DeDWjPWr mgZAvpRZSOZxWiDplcgctyfCappOL85+uE57m4tnn6kwqOlXjun0N0ajwgwrI8ONI5Zp ZBrv745CNSwIdsVxCqKuKtGVqKTdwAbTdk0rs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5sVvOK3B1STvwu1D2CiH+t1pKvbbnvQid5WiDW84jO8F6HcIBKsMNHf6JLMPmRGTCi IXhgmU7MhSfPEPdPRKPw7IhTB8H5k08SMaB7wCpehGumkRcqyWO4oL7mmNMIyF/iCM8K MeMMCxNLnCWCXLeBKfe4YfvCGl1Mty995rbLA= Received: by 10.220.124.227 with SMTP id v35mr349486vcr.45.1269826972126; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:42:52 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.87.130 with SMTP id w2ls2337211vcl.4.p; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.76.203 with SMTP id d11mr13477vck.11.1269826968633; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.1.23 with SMTP id 23mr4899667aga.14.1269826702255; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.1.23 with SMTP id 23mr4899666aga.14.1269826702206; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:38:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f190.google.com (mail-yx0-f190.google.com [209.85.210.190]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si165116yxe.11.2010.03.28.18.38.21; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.190 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.190; Received: by yxe28 with SMTP id 28so507215yxe.27 for ; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:38:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.242.9 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:38:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100328193022.GH6600@digitalkingdom.org> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <4BAF7446.6070008@gmail.com> <6053DB40-92FF-402B-AEE0-78CE947F9D9E@gmail.com> <20100328193022.GH6600@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:38:20 -0400 Received: by 10.100.50.12 with SMTP id x12mr7201987anx.217.1269826700776; Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.190 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/94aa629e6e757018 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f87c2c6d14880482e69131 --001485f87c2c6d14880482e69131 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think I ever use a glottal stop in Lojban, except maybe when a paus= e is called for before a vowel. In the example of {la.parIs.}, I wouldn't use a glottal stop. OTOH, I'm not fluent in Lojban, and I never speak with anyone else in Lojban. stevo On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:26:41PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > > On 28 Mar 2010, at 16:22, And Rosta wrote: > > > > > IMO /./ is a phoneme whose primary allophone is [?]. That does > > > not imply owt about how it shd be rendered graphologically or > > > typographically, tho. > > > > Jonathan wrote {la.parIs.} but it would seem to me to be unlikely > > that this represents [la=CA=94pa=CB=88ris=CA=94] with a glottal stop be= fore the > > [p] and after the [s]. > > Actually, that's *exactly* what it represents. > > Having learned a little bit about what our typograhpic conventions > actually *mean* might result in less hostility. > > -Robin > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" 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I don't think I ever use a glottal stop in Lojban, except maybe wh= en a pause is called for before a vowel. In the example of {la.parIs.}, I w= ouldn't use a glottal stop.
OTOH, I'm not fluent in Lojban, and I never speak with anyone else= in Lojban.
=C2=A0
stevo

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Robin Lee Powel= l <rlpo= well@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 08:26:41PM +0100, Michael Everson= wrote:
> On 28 Mar 2010, at 16:22, And Rosta wrote:
>
> = > IMO /./ is a phoneme whose primary allophone is [?]. That does
>= > not imply owt about how it shd be rendered graphologically or
> > typographically, tho.
>
> Jonathan wrote {la.parIs.} = but it would seem to me to be unlikely
> that this represents [la=CA= =94pa=CB=88ris=CA=94] with a glottal stop before the
> [p] and after = the [s].

Actually, that's *exactly* what it represents.

Having = learned a little bit about what our typograhpic conventions
actually *me= an* might result in less hostility.

-Robin

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They say: =C2=A0"The first A= Is will be built by the military as weapons."
And I'm =C2=A0thi= nking: =C2=A0"Does it even occur to you to try for something
other = =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http= ://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/

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