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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/2b9f37a87f4a12e0 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:25 AM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 29 Mar 2010, at 01:54, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >> I don't think the translation has many of those though. Maybe one >> (intentional) grammatical error, though I don't now remember exactly >> where. > > Curiouser and curiouser" is the intentional error that comes to mind. > > 'Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that f= or the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English). > > i lu cizra je za=92uzra sei la alis krixa to abu tai se spaji ja=92e le n= u ze=92a tolmorji le nu ta=92i makau tavla bau le drani lojbo toi. The Lojban is grammatical though, it just uses a fu'ivla that looks patterned like ci-zra, za'u-zra, which is not really a meaningful Lojban pattern. (I wouldn't say the English is quite ungrammatical either.) I think the intentionally ungrammatical bit I was thinking of is this: 'I quite agree with you,' said the Duchess; 'and the moral of that is=97"Be what you would seem to be"=97or if you'd like it put more simply=97"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise."' i lu mi do ja'asai tugni sei le noltroni'u cu cusku i la'e di'u madni'i la'e lu ko ckaji le se simlu be do li'u i va'i sa'u lu ko noroi se xanri le nu do na ckaji na'eboda poi do simlu fi lei drata fe le ka de poi do ca'a ja nu'o ckaji ke'a na drata di poi do simlu ke'a lei drata lo drata li'u li'u I've no idea whether the English is grammatical, but I think the Lojban is. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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