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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.145 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/3286dbfd07f96142 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:58 AM, Michael Everson wrote: > > On 28 Mar 2010, at 15:14, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >> Personally, I like to reserve capital letters for letter names, so "A" i= nstead of "abu", "B" instead of "by", and so on, just like "1" can stand fo= r "pa", "2" for "re" and so on. It would be interesting to see how the Alic= e text looks with that convention, given the use of letter names as pronoun= s, > > Well, the letters have names; I would assume that By, Ly, Fy, Sy, Ny woul= d do as well as Ogham's Beith, Luis, Fearn, Sail, Nion. By, Ly, Fy, Sy, Ny presents no real advantage over by, ly, fy, sy, ny, just as Pa, Re, Ci, Vo, Mu, would present no real advantage over pa, re, ci, vo, mu. The idea of using B, L, F, S, N is the same as for using 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. (And it's also quite standard in other languages, after all we write "BPFK", not "Bee Pee Eff Kay".) > On 28 Mar 2010, at 22:17, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> >> Going through it *specifically* for that purpose has been on my to-do li= st since it was published. =A0The main reason I haven't done it yet is that= the BPFK needs to finish before I will even *know* what in xorban and what= isn't. > > I ask again: is this a show-stopper? Is the language in this book Not Rea= dy For Publication? The only significant change I expect I would make today is replace all LE gadri with "lo", but not making that change doesn't really make the language as used wrong. Also, I notice that some cmavo are written without a space between them, whereas today I would write the space. Not a big deal, but you may want to adjust that. Spaces between cmavo have always been optional, and the custom has varied with time, with the tendency being towards preferring the spaced out forms. Other than that, there's always room for improvement in any translation, but on the whole I would say it is ready. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.