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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/f090d5889bfbc274 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367b5f20b2d1070482f12740 --0016367b5f20b2d1070482f12740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/28 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > >> > >> i =ABlu uo =97sei la .alis. pensi=97 ba lo nu farlu tai ti kei mi na b= a > >> xanka le nu farlu fo le serti .i =ABlu ua virnu =97sei le lanzu tu'a > >> mi ba jinvi li'u=BB .i .u'o mi noda cusku va'o ji'asai le nu mi > >> farlu fi le drudi be le zdani (tosa'a la'e di'u la'a jetnu toi) > >> li'u=BB > > > > /me breaks out in hives. > > > > (having said that, I'm aware that this is largely an "I'm not used > > to it" reaction; I could probably get over it if someone gave me a > > good reason. No-one has.) > > Long uninterrupted text truly is hard to read. A few =AB =BB, =97, ( ) > strategically inserted here and there are perfectly kosher for Lojban > (and nothing new in any case, it was standard practice in the ju'i > lobypli journal). Using caps at the beginning of sentences doesn't > make a whole lot of sense to me, that basically amounts to replacing > all ".i" with "I", it's not as if Lojban sentences offer a lot of > variation in how they start (unless the idea was to capitalize the > next word after ".i", that was not very clear to me). > > In a text with a lot of dialogue, having a clear visual of what is > said by the characters and what is part of the background text is > useful, and the lu li'u words are not salient enough for that and do > tend to get lost in the middle of the text in long paragraphs. There's > nothing wrong with some experimenting to get more effective > typography. And one advantage of guillemets is they cannot be accused > of being inspired by English. > In English texts, it is a common practice to introduce a new paragraph whenever a new person speaks. By new, I mean not the person who last spoke in a dialogue, or anyone who speaks after normal text. To illustrate: etc. I believe this practice would be enough to distinguish most cases of {lu...li'u} without the need for any marks. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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2010/3/28 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 10:53 PM, Robin Lee Powell
<rlpowell@digitalkingdom.= org> wrote:
>>
>> i =ABlu uo =97sei la .alis. pensi=97 ba lo nu farlu tai ti kei mi = na ba
>> xanka le nu farlu fo le serti =A0.i =ABlu ua virnu =97sei le lanzu= tu'a
>> mi ba jinvi li'u=BB .i .u'o mi noda cusku va'o ji'= asai le nu mi
>> farlu fi le drudi be le zdani (tosa'a la'e di'u la'= ;a jetnu toi)
>> li'u=BB
>
> /me breaks out in hives.
>
> (having said that, I'm aware that this is largely an "I'm= not used
> to it" reaction; I could probably get over it if someone gave me = a
> good reason. =A0No-one has.)

Long uninterrupted text truly is hard to read. A few =AB =BB, =97, ( = )
strategically inserted here and there are perfectly kosher for Lojban
(and nothing new in any case, it was standard practice in the ju'i
lobypli journal). Using caps at the beginning of sentences doesn't
make a whole lot of sense to me, that basically amounts to replacing
all ".i" with "I", it's not as if Lojban sentences = offer a lot of
variation in how they start (unless the idea was to capitalize the
next word after ".i", that was not very clear to me).

In a text with a lot of dialogue, having a clear visual of what is
said by the characters and what is part of the background text is
useful, and the lu li'u words are not salient enough for that and do tend to get lost in the middle of the text in long paragraphs. There's<= br> nothing wrong with some experimenting to get more effective
typography. And one advantage of guillemets is they cannot be accused
of being inspired by English.

In Englis= h texts, it is a common practice to introduce a new paragraph whenever a ne= w person speaks. By new, I mean not the person who last spoke in a dialogue= , or anyone who speaks after normal text. To illustrate:

<text>

<speaker 1>=

<speaker 2>

<sp= eaker 1>

<text>

<speaker 1>

etc.

I = believe this practice would be enough to distinguish most cases of {lu...li= 'u} without the need for any marks.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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