From dag.odenhall@gmail.com Thu Mar 04 08:03:57 2010 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NnDWh-00068E-Pa for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:57 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so140313bwz.26 for ; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:reply-to:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mtxU+cNpZM5zpgiHVWzE5aYji9cyLwsqCuZrTPb4Et0=; b=I/h6pPQNfqMU4RyTkxYwkZKdTswds6ZH/SrKjSP1X0/9P1TSIwgesF6kmgANjvLfkp sdCca6muKSkVC0SwDjTqLdz71vNxZK2bzScCrT+qgYM2hANN+3Ii+hneQuiQCuxQRbM6 nujXQPrfHDUv6h2/ZdEGbXKOKsAB0YVI6s5Ns= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vfvnwMXlDwjT6jn23AJQYYNiFZOlOC98gggHYxKUJkdcTX2IgXXOBAbKvgSwjWP3mA Cp9tUOehmiuyZyZ/YD9Ln+46ndeDaT3bppxPU6TJMu2Nu2b21Ta9/qY56U5LeKQEcUUh gOb+CeT9y+f1kfPrOaEPBf0coPbdromztkNV0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.122.36 with SMTP id z36mr430483mum.93.1267718624860; Thu, 04 Mar 2010 08:03:44 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: dag.odenhall@gmail.com In-Reply-To: <702226df1003040735j468fb753y13666ab05fb4c612@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100303220721.GX1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031457i5f3bafe0w7df2dfa49ad6dc0b@mail.gmail.com> <20100303230307.GA1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031510l1c53a9e1yc192b2ffdf99cbeb@mail.gmail.com> <20100303231339.GC1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003031536n376e5d09r1c817a5d0b67ceb2@mail.gmail.com> <20100304000922.GF1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003040735j468fb753y13666ab05fb4c612@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2010 17:03:44 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: More espeak words, please. From: Dag Odenhall To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Argh, please use the oblique keywords list rather than jbofihe. More human and natural. On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > For the gismu definitions, all the extraneous stuff (eg. anything between > any braces) to be removed, all '/' replaced with ' or ', and all variants > removed (eg. "bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack" except for the one or tw= o > most common or most different. (so, for example, the word in the third > and/or fourth column of the gismu list, with {bakfu}, that would be 'bund= le' > and 'pack', whereas with {balni}, it would be 'balcony' and 'shelf'.) > However, as Dag pointed out, the gismu definitions already have a simplif= ied > form, so I don't think much if anything needs to be done for that. > For the sumti definitions, for lack of a better way to put it, a humanize= d > grammatical phrase. Some examples: > sumti jbofi'e phrase Smart.fm definition > lo bakri any/some chalk(s) a quantity of chalk > lo se bakri any/some chalk source(s)=C2=A0 a source of chalk > lo te bakri any/some chalk form(s) a form of chalk > sumti jbofi'e phrase Smart.fm definition > lo cenba any/some vary-er(s) something varying > lo se cenba=C2=A0 any/some variant property(ies) a property of variance > lo te cenba any/some degree(s) of variation a degree of variation > lo ve cenba any/some conditions for variation a condition of varying > sumti jbofi'e phrase Smart.fm definition > lo dukse any/some excess(es) an excess > lo se dukse any/some in excess thing(s) something in excess > lo te dukse any/some standard for excess a standard of excess > > On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: >> >> On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:36:01PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> > >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 04:10:48PM -0700, Jonathan= Jones wrote: >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDThe list of the items is fini= shed, the definitions for >> > Smart.fm are >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not. >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDIn point of fact, there are e= xactly three areas that are not >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0finished- the >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDaudio for the entries, >> > >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yep. >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the simplified definitions for Smart.fm for abou= t 70% of the >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> items, >> > >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Trivially producable from jbofihe data. =EF=BF=BDI= still want someone to >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0explain to me why we're simplifying them in the fi= rst place? >> > >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Oi, I've already said why. The gismu definitions need to = be >> > simplified >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0because, 1) The definitions from the gismu list are, more= often than >> > not, >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0too long for Smart.fm's cards, so they need to be shorten= ed to fit, >> > and 2) >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0They non-vocal punctuation needs to be edited out. >> > >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0For this reason the definition for bakfu, which in the gi= smu list is >> > "x1 >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0is a bundle/package/cluster/clump/pack [shape/form] conta= ining x2, >> > held >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0together by x3", becomes "x1 is a bundle or pack containi= ng x2 held >> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0together by x3" >> >> Again: that can be done well enough for the vast majority of words >> by a simple script, and then fix the mistakes by hand. >> >> I just hate to see people spending human time when machine time >> would do the job. =C2=A0Tell me what format you want it in, and I'll >> write something to do what you just did to all the gismu. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons.= " >> And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does it even occur to you to try for some= thing >> other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See http://shru= nklink.com/cdiz >> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.o= rg >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or i= f >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > >