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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:55:20 +0100 Message-Id: <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a8a356079d458952 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 29 Mar 2010, at 15:31, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Michael Everson wrote: > >>> You want to use Gothic letters and what-not, fine. You want to use special fonts, fine. Just don't mess with the standard Lojban typographic conventions and we've got no problems. >> >> Except that the book is then a whole mess of lower-case letters with no punctuation. > > Lojban is written in lower-case letters with no punctuation. I don't see a problem. OK. Fine. My goal is to treat Lojban not like an oddball, but as a full citizen of the community of languages which enjoy fine Latin typography. Perhaps you do not see this as an interesting or valuable goal, but it is nevertheless the goal which I have. In my view, just pouring a whole mess of lower-case letters with no punctuation into my Alice template would not result in "fine Latin typography". Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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