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Message-ID: <20100329141713.GA29026@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) smtp.mail=jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org X-Original-Sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/fa6695295802d7a7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable de'i li 29 pi'e 03 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Michael Everson .fy. cusku zoi skamyx= atra. > To the unfocused eye, Lojban is no different from Basque in its > non-Indo-Europeanism. ;-) .skamyxatra Good! Almost the entire point of Lojban and Loglan is to create a language unlike any natural one and see what happens. Trying to make Lojban more li= ke widely-spoken languages defeats the whole point of attempting to isolate a Sapir-Whorf effect or whatever it is we're supposed to be doing. Differenc= es in orthography force learners to think about the language more and, hopeful= ly, improve the way they think in general. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. --=20 () =A0me la .asycy'i'ic. dasri nungazdau fi loi me la xytymylyl. samxa'a /\ =A0di'o la'o jy. www.asciiribbon.org .jy. fi loi posysivni datnytai minx= a'a --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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