From 3hsywSwoJBk81r2zQ6BA8rFry55.t53250sr4x55x2vx85B69.t53@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Mar 29 08:52:27 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3hsywSwoJBk81r2zQ6BA8rFry55.t53250sr4x55x2vx85B69.t53@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwHGI-0004to-2W for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:52:26 -0700 Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3sf549902vws.16 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:message-id:x-ymail-osg :received:x-mailer:references:date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to :mime-version:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N0OTNUzGTAIzSIe5d56JtnJUQGOJdWHB5ANpj+KuOyo=; b=Bl/VA/5dBAASCN8C/P2u6TYKQuoXr+D8icEdL2EqRuBqef984+k8oJQCWpR6BZIDvy SlfkO1qov+xwCQY6DnrDsiMUIqYSK8PPizWquK82cN0VI9294PxzuMmPc7N94/jciddU xnQbrQBH5bz6iP2+PhqBrBd0yEDBFCbM4UZOg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:x-ymail-osg:x-mailer:references :date:from:subject:to:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=K3mU4je9bI+SgLkJSO68SAkNCbE/F8BQIq+KafnADKEHmSqIi5YDwCWiVzqtL8YYza CflypKGGHv5SbRf5xRmyq9OOZ5aHSc6DJJiGXKzxagNe2R8jR5x+SqYC6peUV3bqOKAq mdLbtvojul+8s4vvOIGrY5vhUdqxug5b+nS+8= Received: by 10.220.47.158 with SMTP id n30mr454004vcf.17.1269877894314; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.87.130 with SMTP id w2ls2476160vcl.4.p; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.161.79 with SMTP id q15mr1173264vcx.24.1269877892976; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.206.30 with SMTP id i30mr2180234anq.26.1269877305199; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.206.30 with SMTP id i30mr2180233anq.26.1269877305029; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.199.124]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id 12si305939gxk.14.2010.03.29.08.41.44; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.124 as permitted sender) client-ip=68.142.199.124; Received: (qmail 79080 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Mar 2010 15:41:44 -0000 Message-ID: <664037.78661.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: SIkZqpAVM1mrP6nSjVyxSjAdBda5uQxf.2iksc.Ul_lNZ3g h4IpXZ1vNXihbd8I_9gH48561GAOwADQCMn0JOxvdh__Y_exaZvlvG2hchtF buHuBK6BLqxtAZBVEo1MYMR7l3yyp3zDwnJjtVHqOo6Ax4ModSSVAi1pHuBu _DKryYJtZznt451H5k9G9RQ4sVDfUc5R2Ja62GgbV.cjIDquJFQEBDWWO9mM CeOq.cQ_m4PeOIX4NQ6hx8BhnJqnJiPj3El0nWU6hg2oBct6OQqnY9qDtv.8 dxKhq0iJzOHna76z.l.XHbXJTc643 Received: from [71.14.73.129] by web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:41:44 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/324.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <201003290855.46019.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561003290812m4ed36820rf39978da50f7cbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:41:44 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <925d17561003290812m4ed36820rf39978da50f7cbd@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.124 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/8c4e061be265783f Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the joy of contributing further to the going-on-60 year history of LoCCa= n typography, y'all seem to have missed the basic point: someone is offeri= ng to publish a work in Lojban on a real press for a real public, something= that comes to very few conlangs. Jump at the opportunity, for goodness sa= kes! As for the "changes" he is making in "Lojban typography", they fall well wi= thin the range of past approaches and have the rather clear advantage of ma= king texts more easily readable (although ease has never been a long LoCCan= suit). If newbies end up using them, then rejoice in the newbies and lead= them by local example back to the true shining path (or, possibly change t= o that way of doing tjings yourself). Don't jump all over them for total t= rivia and watch them fade away. On a non-trivial note, I see xorxes proposing to do away with all 'le' in l= aAlis. 'le' was one of JCB's really clever inventions, a thing of wide gen= uine use. Even in its present rather attenuated form, it is still valuable= . To replace it by 'lo', whatever that may be nowadays, would degade the la= nguage severely (the o0pposite replacement might be an improvement however = -- at least we would know what we had). =20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.