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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <702226df1003290810r9685560v7ef251bdfb421911@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:37:59 +0100 Message-Id: <52AFCEFB-B7BD-4F2E-B8EB-9C90833DFFDE@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> <702226df1003290810r9685560v7ef251bdfb421911@mail.gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/6c7f00f63df666cc Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 29 Mar 2010, at 16:10, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> OK. Fine. My goal is to treat Lojban not like an oddball, but as a full = citizen of the community of languages which enjoy fine Latin typography. Pe= rhaps you do not see this as an interesting or valuable goal, but it is nev= ertheless the goal which I have. >=20 > I don't see Lojban as being a member of the community of languages that u= se Latin typography. > I don't see Lojban written in Cyrillic script as a member of the communit= y of languages that use Cyrillic typography. > I don't see Lojban written in Tengwar script as being a member of the com= munity of languages that use Tengwar typography. OK, this is, erm, really illogical, if I dare use such a word before people= doubtless better at logic than I am. I don't follow this double-talk really. Latin typography is an attribute of= the Latin script.=20 > I see Lojban as being of member of the community of languages that use Lo= jban typography, and happens to use Latin characters as it's official ortho= graphy. I see Lojban typography (, and bny extension, Loglan typography,) a= s cousin to the various Asain typographies, which do not have punctuation m= arks, like Lojban, do not need spaces, like Lojban, have words for what mos= t languages use vocal tones and/or word order to indicate, like Lojban. Yeah, well, sure, except that lots of people are perfectly happy to sanctio= n the use of punctuation marks with Lojban, so at the least not everyone sh= ares your peculiar notions about what "orthography" and "typography" are. I= say that advisedly, because you're not using the terms as anyone else does= . Indeed it sounds like special pleading to avoid having to see Lojban writ= ten with case or punctuation.=20 > I do not presume to say the Lojban is the same as Asian languages, I mere= ly point out that Lojban has more similarities, in these matters, with the = Asian languages, than with the European ones. Scripts have typography. Languages have orthography. Latin is not Burmese or Thai or Hiragana.=20 >> In my view, just pouring a whole mess of lower-case letters with no punc= tuation into my Alice template would not result in "fine Latin typography". >=20 > Neither do I. I, unlike you, consider that a good thing. I don't want Loj= ban written with "fine Latin typography".=20 OK. I'm sorry I won't satisfy your wish, because it is at odds with my goal= . Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.