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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:54:48 +0100 Message-Id: <3FF9E773-2771-42AF-AE58-822BC17CCE6D@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> <702226df1003290810r9685560v7ef251bdfb421911@mail.gmail.com> <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/504453a989b58ac8 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 29 Mar 2010, at 17:27, Leo Molas wrote: >>> In my view, just pouring a whole mess of lower-case letters with no pun= ctuation into my Alice template would not result in "fine Latin typography"= . >>=20 >> Neither do I. I, unlike you, consider that a good thing. I don't >> /want/ Lojban written with "fine Latin typography".=20 >=20 > I think this is a good point in all of this. Lojban is not written in Lat= in typography; Standard Lojban orthography makes use of the Latin script. The Latin script is possessed of a long tradition of typographic convention= s. These two things are distinct. You cannot say that a language is "written i= n a typography". That makes no sense. > Lojban has a typogrphy that uses Latin a part of its alphabet and a part = of its punctuation, using it in another way. Lojban uses this alphabet, to = be compatible with everyone's keyboard; not with Latin typography. With all due respect, capital letters and punctuation like , . ; : ' " =AB = =BB ( ) [ ] { } are available with everybody's keyboard. Loglan was devised in 1955 when there were only typewriters (unless you cou= ld afford a Pegasus or something), and modulo =AB =BB on French typewriters= all of those characters were available then, too. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.