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From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/19dc5527ea937ae4 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4e887371272edc0482f4538f --e0cb4e887371272edc0482f4538f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Before you go further... your message gives the impression that it's common to see those things when it really is not at all. I don't think I've ever seen these non-standard forms, but again, I'm still fairly new. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 29 Mar 2010, at 18:06, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > The thing is, typography and orthopgraphy are not the same thing. > > Ah, I was behind in my reading. Thank you for > > > Lojban uses the Latin orthography, but it does not use the Latin > typography. > > Well. What you mean is that writers who write Lojban use Latin, or Tengwar, > or Cyrillic orthography. (Lojban itself is a language, and languages don't > use anything.) > > As for your second point, I think that what you mean is that the standard > Lojban orthography tends to make use of the capitalization and punctuation > common in Latin typography in a different way than other languages do. > > Except of course that some people use acute vowels instead of capital > vowels for anomalous stress, and some people use guillemets, and some people > use question marks and exclamation marks. At least that's what people are > saying. But those are variations of Latin typographic conventions used to > write the language. > > Michael. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e0cb4e887371272edc0482f4538f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before you go further... your message gives the impression that it's co= mmon to see those things when it really is not at all. =A0I don't think= I've ever seen these non-standard forms, but again, I'm still fair= ly new.

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Michael Eve= rson <mic= hael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Mar 2010, at 18:06, Jonathan Jones wrote:

> The thing is, typography and orthopgraphy are not the same thing.

Ah, I was behind in my reading. Thank you for

> Lojban uses the Latin orthography, but it does not use the Latin typog= raphy.

Well. What you mean is that writers who write Lojban use Latin, or Te= ngwar, or Cyrillic orthography. (Lojban itself is a language, and languages= don't use anything.)

As for your second point, I think that what you mean is that the standard L= ojban orthography tends to make use of the capitalization and punctuation c= ommon in Latin typography in a different way than other languages do.

Except of course that some people use acute vowels instead of capital vowel= s for anomalous stress, and some people use guillemets, and some people use= question marks and exclamation marks. At least that's what people are = saying. But those are variations of Latin typographic conventions used to w= rite the language.

Michael.

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