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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/953c181b866df650 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163683351c5162e70482f477f6 --00163683351c5162e70482f477f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Before you go further... your message gives the impression that it's common > to see those things when it really is not at all. I don't think I've ever > seen these non-standard forms, but again, I'm still fairly new. Except in examples, as in "It is permissable to place a "?" after the question word as in {xu? do jimpe mi}, I've not once seen any character other than the 26 letterals and 10 numerals used in written Lojban, i.e.: abcdefgijklmnoprstuvxyz'.,1234567890 > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Michael Everson < > michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 29 Mar 2010, at 18:06, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> > The thing is, typography and orthopgraphy are not the same thing. >> >> Ah, I was behind in my reading. Thank you for >> >> > Lojban uses the Latin orthography, but it does not use the Latin >> typography. >> >> Well. What you mean is that writers who write Lojban use Latin, or >> Tengwar, or Cyrillic orthography. (Lojban itself is a language, and >> languages don't use anything.) >> >> As for your second point, I think that what you mean is that the standard >> Lojban orthography tends to make use of the capitalization and punctuation >> common in Latin typography in a different way than other languages do. >> >> Except of course that some people use acute vowels instead of capital >> vowels for anomalous stress, and some people use guillemets, and some people >> use question marks and exclamation marks. At least that's what people are >> saying. But those are variations of Latin typographic conventions used to >> write the language. >> >> Michael. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Before you go further... your me= ssage gives the impression that it's common to see those things when it= really is not at all. =A0I don't think I've ever seen these non-st= andard forms, but again, I'm still fairly new.
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Except in examples, as in "It is permissable to place a "?&q= uot; after the question word as in {xu? do jimpe mi}, I've not once see= n any character other than the 26 letterals and 10 numerals used in written= Lojban, i.e.: abcdefgijklmnoprstuvxyz'.,1234567890
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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Michael Everson= <michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Mar 2010, at 18:06, Jonathan Jones wrote:

> The thing = is, typography and orthopgraphy are not the same thing.

Ah, I = was behind in my reading. Thank you for

> Lojban uses the Latin orthography, but it does not use the La= tin typography.

Well. What you mean is that writers who write = Lojban use Latin, or Tengwar, or Cyrillic orthography. (Lojban itself is a = language, and languages don't use anything.)

As for your second point, I think that what you mean is that the standa= rd Lojban orthography tends to make use of the capitalization and punctuati= on common in Latin typography in a different way than other languages do.
Except of course that some people use acute vowels instead of capital v= owels for anomalous stress, and some people use guillemets, and some people= use question marks and exclamation marks. At least that's what people = are saying. But those are variations of Latin typographic conventions used = to write the language.

Michael.

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