From 3B_iwSwoJBvsmmoodpeldvjpdlo.frpormedqjrrjohjurxsv.frp@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Mar 29 11:57:38 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3B_iwSwoJBvsmmoodpeldvjpdlo.frpormedqjrrjohjurxsv.frp@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwK9V-0003w3-09 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:38 -0700 Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3sf1052241vws.16 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=BA0Svva6v6LkZ025NI/h7efm1fQp2F1QVfVc28pKzRE=; b=DvSoCoNiDejiR6Cx+N3+q/6wHtaRW3ddeT2NIrumC2iXq70G0Eph9C3FepnvdaC/8s 9ztakuoY/QFf7ebPLrDFUHKHnzj9+vvwS+ERWPqy33uvKxOHGrMhFN44B5eIGwbKUdyN c55VPlkE+sVwjLKMMKwFFDBDyJV070dQdirvc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=C04HC97GYCwcKs+WuHr5+t3sxq5OhbRdG6yoJnOPHVnzYy2KweD6BUhPo4TdF5/71k DJfRjJ6iz3QRLuuZeE53Atd/SS4YUEDTNup241vIDzorDrE5FagvLIcXUs9X+qYA7z8g w3/6Z4RbdFX6/q+/emdoEQUJZ/qKqJLLpzV6M= Received: by 10.220.107.86 with SMTP id a22mr80745vcp.9.1269889031359; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.47.17 with SMTP id l17ls2487825vcf.5.p; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.71 with SMTP id t7mr1261951vcy.9.1269889029898; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.168.71 with SMTP id t7mr1261950vcy.9.1269889029872; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f183.google.com (mail-qy0-f183.google.com [209.85.221.183]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si11032075vws.4.2010.03.29.11.57.08; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.183 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.183; Received: by mail-qy0-f183.google.com with SMTP id 13so2156750qyk.27 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.12 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100329181805.GH6600@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5715b9301003291115s41677c35i38be195072d8ffeb@mail.gmail.com> <20100329181805.GH6600@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:57:08 -0300 Received: by 10.229.191.18 with SMTP id dk18mr672140qcb.9.1269889028606; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17561003291157m31d789b2r8c765755bd6f907f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] days of the week From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.183 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/e1cc5f1aa0000658 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/8d243e6177acd1d7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Why someone imported this into Lojban I have *no* idea; do not > expect to find this in any published dictionary while I'm still > breathing. Whatever happened to the "let a thousand flowers bloom" philosophy? Anyway, I'm sure the reasons for the soldei/lurdei/fagdei/jaurdei/mudydei/jimdei/derdei names of the wek (which were not my idea, but which I like) have been given before. One reason is that given the place structure of "djedi", the natural meaning for N-dei is "x1 is a period of N days", as in "pavyvondei" for "x1 is a fortnight", "ko'a djedi be li pavo". Of course we can ignore that and define lujvo as we please, but that's one sensible reason anyway. Another reason is that there are at least two different systems used in different languages that relate numbers to days of the week. In Portuguese, "segunda-feira" is Monday, not Tuesday. (Similarly in Hebrew, Greek, Arabic, Indonesian, Turkish, and others). We can say: we don't care, let those people be confused, why should we be forced to learn seven new words when we already know the Lojban numbers and obviously Monday is day 1? And besides, Chinese is on our side, which is the language spoken by the most people anyway. (Or maybe those people would not be confused, I don't know, I only know that the Portuguese day names do confuse me, so maybe the converse is true too.) Anyway, those are my reasons for preferring the soldei series. (And yes "soldei" is nice for English speakers too, that's not automatically malglico) mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.