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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c31be83ad5e70cbe Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364273dd5854b70482f522ee --0016364273dd5854b70482f522ee Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 29 Mar 2010, at 19:09, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > Insofar as Lojban is concerned, {la.mari,=E1n.} and {la.mari,An.} are t= he > same thing. {la.mari,An.} is much more common, as "A" is easier to type. = (On > standard U.S. keyboard, for instance, "A" is +a, "=E1" is + 0,2,2,5>.) > > That would be pretty old software. US International keyboards have shippe= d > on the Windows platform for a very long time indeed. I use an Irish keybo= ard > on the Mac OS, and for me, A is shift-a, and =E1 is alt-a, The US keyboar= d on > the Mac has alt-e + a for =E1. And has for years and years. > A U.S. International keyboard is not a U.S. Standard keyboard. IIRC, U.S. International keyboards have an "alt-gr" key for typing international characters where U.S. Standard keyboards have a right "alt" key. > > >> and some people use guillemets, > > > > I've never seen that used in actual writing. > > Yes, well, I'm going to use them, and they're discussed on p. 67 of Nick > and John's book. > > >> and some people use question marks and exclamation marks. > > > > I've never seen that used in actual writing. > > They're discussed on p. 67 of Nick and John's book. > Discussed is not used. > > >> At least that's what people are saying. > > > > No, people are saying they *can* be. Not that they *are*. > > Well, fine. Then I *can* use them. :-) > Yes. You can. I would prefer that you do not. I would, as I've said, prefer that you stick with the standard convention. > > >> But those are variations of Latin typographic conventions used to writ= e > the language. > > > > Those are non-standard conventions, yes. > > They're discussed on p. 67 of Nick and John's book. > Discussed is not used. > > Michael > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Michael Everso= n <michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 29 Mar 2010, at 19:09, Jonathan Jones wrote:

> Insofar as= Lojban is concerned, {la.mari,=E1n.} and {la.mari,An.} are the same thing.= {la.mari,An.} is much more common, as "A" is easier to type. (On= standard U.S. keyboard, for instance, "A" is <shift>+a, &q= uot;=E1" is <alt>+<numpad 0,2,2,5>.)

That would be pretty old software. US International keyboards hav= e shipped on the Windows platform for a very long time indeed. I use an Iri= sh keyboard on the Mac OS, and for me, A is shift-a, and =E1 is alt-a, The = US keyboard on the Mac has alt-e + a for =E1. And has for years and years.<= br>
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A U.S. International keyboard is not a U.S. Standard keyboard. = IIRC, U.S. International keyboards have an "alt-gr" key for typin= g international characters where U.S. Standard keyboards have a right "= ;alt" key.
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>> and some people use guillemets,
>
> I've = never seen that used in actual writing.

Yes, well, I'm goi= ng to use them, and they're discussed on p. 67 of Nick and John's b= ook.

>> and some people use question marks and exclamation marks.=
>
> I've never seen that used in actual writing.

They're discussed on p. 67 of Nick and John's book.
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Discussed is not used.

>> At least that's what people are saying.
>
&g= t; No, people are saying they *can* be. Not that they *are*.

W= ell, fine. Then I *can* use them. :-)
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Yes. You can. I would prefer that you do not. I would, as I've sai= d, prefer that you stick with the standard convention.

>> But those are variations of Latin typographic conventions= used to write the language.
>
> Those are non-standard convent= ions, yes.

They're discussed on p. 67 of Nick and John'= ;s book.
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Discussed is not used.

Michael

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