From 3eQSxSwoJBnohhjjYkZgYqekYgj.amkjmhZYlemmejcepmsnq.amk@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Mar 29 12:50:43 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3eQSxSwoJBnohhjjYkZgYqekYgj.amkjmhZYlemmejcepmsnq.amk@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwKys-0008A1-Gq for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:42 -0700 Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3sf1192983vws.16 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9FbXIbJQLmfUKCZ1m6wnDA5iZxHL27Ds1bler5yBFp0=; b=D+f33X2hNvoA12PPJUV1j+q1oFAa7KBC4eZtYB6ZN189vcVGyM7pVnnDjL5C8WoxDu wCW96nXA+va/2dWCfJLWWnvT+DA8pU/WrEDWfCE9AGnA76Epfzl6ccqLRRuDxWyy3yKH GqN2OElNk4pwApVi+/KsD3Ae9/imGAy8Wimts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=sWgSB9TwnAD7gzISmG7k356HJHEGv4guNjLB77WF6DmY15cVjvErIh7Q/3caTH32zX tgY88K120DQXJMaJgO6i/NK3j0AFpO6zv19OM02e4/z+9O/tjwMmiEBX9MAX8ZhHDQxi BrcV66h9QdDES0uwYdBEU4Qy/oTOJ/+A+5dQ8= Received: by 10.220.123.92 with SMTP id o28mr4989vcr.0.1269892217016; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.68.217 with SMTP id w25ls276542vci.1.p; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.160.69 with SMTP id m5mr1335488vcx.7.1269892215813; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.160.69 with SMTP id m5mr1335487vcx.7.1269892215777; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f47.google.com (mail-vw0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 31si11143964vws.4.2010.03.29.12.50.14; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by mail-vw0-f47.google.com with SMTP id 15so1155115vws.6 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.86.12 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <664037.78661.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <201003290855.46019.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561003290812m4ed36820rf39978da50f7cbd@mail.gmail.com> <664037.78661.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 16:50:14 -0300 Received: by 10.229.235.1 with SMTP id ke1mr1004449qcb.3.1269892214621; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 12:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17561003291250w793cd0f7ld8bc442ade3e51db@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c89ed68d750d47d9 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:41 PM, John E Clifford wr= ote: > > On a non-trivial note, I see xorxes proposing to do away with all 'le' in= laAlis. =A0'le' was one of JCB's really clever inventions, a thing of wide= genuine use. =A0Even in its present rather attenuated form, it is still va= luable. To replace it by 'lo', whatever that may be nowadays, would degade = the language severely (the o0pposite replacement might be an improvement ho= wever -- at least we would know what we had). It's hard to see how, if "le" and "lo" are merged as one, pronouncing the resulting form "le" could be an improvement while pronouncing it "lo" would be a degradation. The reason I prefer "lo nu" to the previously ubiquitous "le nu" is that in many/most cases of "le nu" there was no intent to refer to a specific event that the speaker had in mind, "lenu" was just the automatic option for subordinate bridi, without any consideration of specificity. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.