From 3jgyxSwoJBpcJLFD938I9J7D19C.3FDCFA21E7FF7C57IFLGJ.3FD@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Mar 29 13:25:13 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f141.google.com ([209.85.210.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3jgyxSwoJBpcJLFD938I9J7D19C.3FDCFA21E7FF7C57IFLGJ.3FD@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwLWG-0002I5-Au for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:25:12 -0700 Received: by yxe5 with SMTP id 5sf689414yxe.2 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:25:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=jKNPRM+/wrXwEeg4hgo6Gem4R/igUZkLr7VZMZKN/iY=; b=19daQQNTJ6sEvFKlnLVImak+I7HU7XTD6+tBgAZwYzA2Ei8GRkSfxl2pkiC/br+zHs vxanBix20OBeEI91+hS7TgvhXDUV4rVFti2l+v8mZVCUHKURGlm6seFQ8eoZ8oappwo2 pPYA0Wq21Anj1GTHkYSIIkHV/zTRBy9N50shI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=mpHi4exR9MWmwcS8btUyCgTGUrUZIfQefq5GkDI8SON3f7Y7z5u4mGWLWANQMBCml2 TbZG0vYgFLpZbfMK8bhpm8cn7fO0CyNgNh+yrxCJlTx+/qrse1vbhAQd1hTpbCtIEeOa r0MGJOi+fewOJuyj6bFG32X07ght0/MFHu/a0= Received: by 10.151.116.20 with SMTP id t20mr311817ybm.2.1269894286776; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.50.148 with SMTP id z20ls78500ibf.2.p; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.148.211 with SMTP id q19mr355165ibv.19.1269894284102; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.148.211 with SMTP id q19mr355164ibv.19.1269894284069; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f201.google.com (mail-iw0-f201.google.com [209.85.223.201]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si593540iwn.15.2010.03.29.13.24.43; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.201; Received: by mail-iw0-f201.google.com with SMTP id 39so17073iwn.2 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.29.10 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003291319s63636a59t68668f5a79e79d4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <702226df1003291006o242c37a8q6bc5ea53b6e6377d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003291109p6508ea18q8fd9cd68f593a70c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003291146h66475c74off6625befee8fdf5@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003291319s63636a59t68668f5a79e79d4b@mail.gmail.com> From: Christopher Doty Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:20 -0700 Received: by 10.143.194.3 with SMTP id w3mr2126084wfp.259.1269894280160; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 13:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b06a977a97c9590f Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd482c478a6bb0482f64de2 --000e0cd482c478a6bb0482f64de2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, I realize they are not (exactly) the same thing, but "orthography," as commonly understood, is not devoid of typographic conventions; those are _part_ of an orthography, at least as linguists use it--when one says that they developed an orthography for a previously-unwritten language, no one would assume that they had figured out how to spell things, but not bothered with how to actually write things down. And I did check the definitions, from several places, and I see nothing that contradicts anything I said, nor anything anyone else said. I meant what I said before, that the line is, apparently, drawn at different places for others than it is for me. On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 13:19, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Christopher Doty wrote: > >> Wow, I guess I completely missed the point of this conversation and what >> Michael was saying--which seems to be that he's going to do this however he >> wants, never mind what anyone says, instead of trying to actually think >> about this and present a solution that could be adopted by people in the >> future. Is that a correct assessment? >> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 13:03, Michael Everson > > wrote: >>> >>> Noooooooo, that's *orthography*. >> >> >> I tried not to get involved in this, but.... I'm not sure why you're >> drawing the line here, and saying that "G/a" is orthography and other >> things, like capitalization, not. As far as I am concerned, Lojban >> orthography/typography/typesetting conventions/etc. are basically half >> done--the actual spelling of individual words is there, but the >> clause/sentence/paragraph/quotation stuff is missing. >> > > Orthography and typography are not the same thing. Check the definitions. I > posted them in this list a few missives ago. > > >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd482c478a6bb0482f64de2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I realize they are not (exactly) the same thing, but "orthography= ," as commonly understood, is not devoid of typographic conventions; t= hose are _part_ of an orthography, at least as linguists use it--when one s= ays that they developed an orthography for a previously-unwritten language,= no one would assume that they had figured out how to spell things, but not= bothered with how to actually write things down.

And I did check the definitions, from several places, and I = see nothing that contradicts anything I said, nor anything anyone else said= . =A0I meant what I said before, that the line is, apparently, drawn at dif= ferent places for others than it is for me.

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 13:19, Jonathan Jone= s <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29= , 2010 at 2:15 PM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, I guess I completely missed the = point of this conversation and what Michael was saying--which seems to be t= hat he's going to do this however he wants, never mind what anyone says= , instead of trying to actually think about this and present a solution tha= t could be adopted by people in the future. =A0Is that a correct assessment= ?

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 13:03, Michael Everson <= span dir=3D"ltr"><michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:=20
Noooooooo, that's *orthography*.<= /blockquote>

I tried not to get involved in this, but.... =A0I'm not sure why y= ou're drawing the line here, and saying that "G/a" is orthogr= aphy and other things, like capitalization, not. =A0As far as I am concerne= d, Lojban orthography/typography/typesetting conventions/etc. are basically= half done--the actual spelling of individual words is there, but the claus= e/sentence/paragraph/quotation stuff is missing.
=A0
Orthography and typography are not the same thing. Check t= he definitions. I posted them in this list a few missives ago.
=A0

Chris=A0

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