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From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/6b73d9a0ce880fcd Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 2:11 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > Now, now. Conventions are devised by people. In the Latin script, certain= conventions are used for most languages. Capitals at the beginning of sent= ences, full stops at the end, capitals for personal names. Sure, when Lojba= n was devised, other conventions were used. That does not mean that text in= Lojban ceases to be Lojban if traditional Latin casing and punctuation con= ventions are used. After all, if Tengwar can be used, or Cyrillic, then why= should there be some sort of "ban" on using "Victorian typographic convent= ions" for a book written in the nineteenth century? It's just a convention.= You might not prefer it. You've stated that you've got preferences. =A0But as the Latin alphabet was adopted by each culture, they did make modifications to it, to suit their individual needs. =A0Or would you insist that a French word that is supposed to have an accent grave use an accent ague or circumflex, simply becuase it wasn't isomorphic with a different language? =A0Would you remove the upside-down question marks and exclamations in Spanish? Would you change spellings because a j in Spanish isn't the same sound as a j in French? =A0Insist French drop =AB=BB in favor of =93=94 ?=A0 Insiit German use only capitals for proper nouns, not all nouns, as they currently do?=A0 When used in lojban, Latin alphabet has certain conventions.=A0 There is some flexibility, but the limits of flexibility are strictly defined. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --Mike "gejyspa" Turniansky --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.