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Jonathan Jones .fy. cusku zoi skamyxa= tra. > In any case, you didn't cast your vote on the issue. Are you abstaining? .skamyxatra I support the change. If it should pass, where will it be recorded? > > The keyword of "{jegvo}" should be "Abrahamic," not "Jehovist"; >=20 > I used "Judeo-Christian" for that gismu on the Smart.fm lesson. That omits Islam, which "{jegvo}" is supposed to include. "Abrahamic" incl= udes all three faiths and, depending on your definitions, may or may not include Bah=E1'=ED. > > "{ta'u}" doesn't seem to serve any purpose; >=20 > It does to me, but not a very useful one. What do you think should be don= e > about it? It should be removed from the language, or at least deprecated. > So I take it you'd like to call a vote to remove ti'o as a cmavo? Yes. > I admit there are many cultural gismu, but there are also many cultures. = If > anything, I think there aren't enough, as not all cultures have a gismu. > Regardless, which cultural gismu do you think are excessive, why do you > think this, and what would you like done about it? I think that only those cultures that are directly relevant to Lojban shoul= d have {gismu}, i.e., Lojban itself ({lojbo}) and the six source languages ({glico}, {jungo}, {rusko}, {spano}, {xindo}, & {xrabo}). The {gismu} for = the continents can also stay, but I don't think they really count as cultural {gismu} in the first place. The remaining cultural {gismu} should be deprecated and/or removed and their {rafsi} freed up. > Only 3 of the non-metric gismu overlap with the metric gismu. Making *all* of the measurement {gismu} system-independent allows one to re= fer to pounds & Newtons and slugs & (kilo)grams (and non-metric amounts of curr= ent & illumination) with relative ease. > And since only metric uses powers of ten, it just makes metric- likely th= e > most used system- more ungainly, and the- likely much less used- non-metr= ic > systems wouldn't get any benefit as compromise. If only metric uses powers of ten, then "{ki'otre}" can be safely assumed t= o mean "kilometer" in the majority of circumstances. Alternatively, making a= ll the measurement {gismu} metric by default (e.g., by adding a place "in syst= em x* (default metric)" to them) also works. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. --=20 .au do lifri lo cinri cedra --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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