From 3axmxSwoJBoExztrnhmwnxlrfnq.htrqtogfslttlqjlwtzux.htr@groups.bounces.google.com Mon Mar 29 14:20:05 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3axmxSwoJBoExztrnhmwnxlrfnq.htrqtogfslttlqjlwtzux.htr@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwMNM-0005af-Lx for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:20:04 -0700 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1sf9132165gwb.16 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=N5XCoBroxN4Oqbb2MAhDB0XbS40LnwSdI2l1ZhGrH44=; b=bcpOMseAd6mgEk2oHlnFxQQI5WWz/9Zxbb5IH/TDpjbSwuYmAmhDrZ4kZrRTQikTxz UXvt0MPT9xgaD8/j5VRl/DG+kuOsF+cjV35x9rOll/mmBveV53jJkLQcZg52Ydyw6DnE 2udYg4W2Qp6POOKf9umKrYfIl2WYac5ttBBRw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=cmabxhyARquL1JwWM1rfMKRV/gOYoFFOjnRKqIH1+nurE9SUrZ4fATLKzlWMFuBkU7 YxWZqIn8s1qAP4+kCR67Haa5sWWOTtkDu1+BzDoz3eEYTXWu71PN+yzB4hWFiQshEZpA qqexo33lsJdFNtC8JZ7xlUQuMMhl1E4nNlOXM= Received: by 10.101.137.7 with SMTP id p7mr114162ann.69.1269897579136; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.171.33 with SMTP id y33ls3104338ano.1.p; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.1.25 with SMTP id 25mr6498685aga.2.1269897578254; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.1.25 with SMTP id 25mr6498682aga.2.1269897578154; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com (mail-gy0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si330791gxk.7.2010.03.29.14.19.37; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.169; Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4so3822120gyg.28 for ; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.133.20 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100329210845.GB24462@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <702226df1003290711v11a9e957h537d99b637f40414@mail.gmail.com> <20100329143528.GA3085@sdf.lonestar.org> <702226df1003290953j22b0fc4dg3e9ffc1460b88882@mail.gmail.com> <20100329210845.GB24462@sdf.lonestar.org> From: Christopher Doty Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:16 -0700 Received: by 10.100.21.27 with SMTP id 27mr9003454anu.93.1269897576644; Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: Lojban: You're Doing it Worng (was: Re: [lojban] la .alis.) To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/ae71ea92dbbfd5b1 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/232c1138f0c32ea6 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6471c06f524390482f7112b --0016e6471c06f524390482f7112b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 14:08, Minimiscience wrote: I think that only those cultures that are directly relevant to Lojban should > have {gismu}, i.e., Lojban itself ({lojbo}) and the six source languages > ({glico}, {jungo}, {rusko}, {spano}, {xindo}, & {xrabo}). The {gismu} for > the > continents can also stay, but I don't think they really count as cultural > {gismu} in the first place. The remaining cultural {gismu} should be > deprecated and/or removed and their {rafsi} freed up. > If this were done (which I actually think is not a bad idea), though, one would need to change the definition of these terms, as they're being included based on language, not culture--the gismu ought to be something like "reflects the English language" and not "culture," or else you've lost any sense of cultural neutrality. Although, now that I think about it, I'm not sure how useful a term like "xindo" is if we're being neutral--what's Chinese? Is Tibet? Or people who speak a non-Tibeto-Burman language and live way in the western part of China and don't speak Mandarin? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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I think that only those cultures that are directly relevant to Lojban shoul= d
have {gismu}, i.e., Lojban itself ({lojbo}) and the six source languages ({glico}, {jungo}, {rusko}, {spano}, {xindo}, & {xrabo}). =A0The {gismu= } for the
continents can also stay, but I don't think they really count as cultur= al
{gismu} in the first place. =A0The remaining cultural {gismu} should be
deprecated and/or removed and their {rafsi} freed up.

If this were done= (which I actually think is not a bad idea), though, one would need to chan= ge the definition of these terms, as they're being included based on la= nguage, not culture--the gismu ought to be something like "reflects th= e English language" and not "culture," or else you've lo= st any sense of cultural neutrality.

Although, now that I think about it, I'm not sure h= ow useful a term like "xindo" is if we're being neutral--what= 's Chinese? =A0Is Tibet? =A0Or people who speak a non-Tibeto-Burman lan= guage and live way in the western part of China and don't speak Mandari= n?

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