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From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/c28f2c30b44c10b3 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I agree with the stability bit, but I don't agree that Lojban as written = in > the standard convention is impenetrable. > > A bit difficult at first, and more so with Jorge's consistent lack of > denpabu, but not impenetrable. I have changed my ways a bit since then. Now I usually do write the period when it represents a glottal stop in front of a vowel. The reason for my change of approach was that working on the morphology convinced me that it is more elegant to take the period there as representing a full consonant, as opposed to the more wishy-washy consonanthood it has as the cmevla delimiter. > (I would like to state that in my own > experience, the difficulties=A0I=A0had when first reading Lojban have sin= ce been > reversed- that is, what once difficult to read due to lack of that which = I > am used to seeing in English text is now difficult if those elements *are= * > there- with the exception of white space, and not counting my difficulty = in > reading {lonu lojbo bacru cu na ponse lo denpabu} ("Lojban without the > {.}").) Do you really mean to use "denpabu" as a fu'ivla? "denpa bu" (or "d=E9npabu" if you prefer) is a lerfu, and in that case you would not use a "lo" with it. But maybe "denpabu" is not such a bad idea for a fu'ivla. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.