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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:24:52 +0100 Message-Id: <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <702226df1003290810r9685560v7ef251bdfb421911@mail.gmail.com> <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <702226df1003291006o242c37a8q6bc5ea53b6e6377d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003291109p6508ea18q8fd9cd68f593a70c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003291146h66475c74off6625befee8fdf5@mail.gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.228 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/e89b642e972e6949 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 29 Mar 2010, at 21:15, Christopher Doty wrote: > Wow, I guess I completely missed the point of this conversation and what = Michael was saying--which seems to be that he's going to do this however he= wants, never mind what anyone says, instead of trying to actually think ab= out this and present a solution that could be adopted by people in the futu= re. Is that a correct assessment? Only simplistically. "However he wants" is implied in that I have the final= editorial decision.=20 Some people don't want me to explore this question at all. Some have made i= t clear that they only want to see uncased, unpunctuated Lojban.=20 Some people do want this explored. They have stated that markup would be a = positive aid to learning the language. What I can do is apply the normal conventions of Latin typography to the te= xt as though it were any other language. What I can't do is get people who = want no change to want change. What I can't do is anticipate the reaction o= f the community at large to an edition of a book which treats Lojban like a= real language rather than an oddball. So I think that if I stick to my goa= l ("Use standard Latin typography for this edition of Alice as in my other = editions of Alice") then I don't have to get mired in a different goal ("Re= form Lojban") since that is something for the community to decide.=20 Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.