From 3D76xSwgJBsowu9.47u3w2qy1.s4214zrq3w44w1uw74A58.s42@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 02:02:36 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f155.google.com ([209.85.222.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3D76xSwgJBsowu9.47u3w2qy1.s4214zrq3w44w1uw74A58.s42@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwXLB-0008Q3-S1 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:35 -0700 Received: by pzk27 with SMTP id 27sf1719476pzk.2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=yRUaDNbWQ27pyREHopnmnru+7LwfGJhNQ50dChPH9qQ=; b=eMJbRu3P4vckvoNjngip0vVDpCQmD/jCkYsW0k8cCo2eTCtgOb8+6oz4uW5EsQ+hzz JsHcGQNpAoh4dVgtFg59W4ePpn9PriYUzhcrMbyZGhHUEZvurPLh0X0LbentUo5WoRJ4 EjWhkDsGX9B1DDiZnkJZPNAaF7Cx2z/diLdhg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=O39eOJtBGPhW/rgW2SxWHPPJh8lpvYRybvlfch+QAVzbtQtEReKTFU0lY6uN4k8pbS KPZFNi8LhjaTF677QDOTn0g8iNJtv/6/BpoccUhmhkUpk6b9rDozFy+Il+fPuPrasr4p ZtzGIIuTOuQ8/Q7+TdXzu04eXGFXHZ02G+YIg= Received: by 10.142.207.14 with SMTP id e14mr132819wfg.33.1269939727548; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.152.26 with SMTP id z26ls2000520wfd.1.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.59.10 with SMTP id h10mr963304wfa.8.1269939726333; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.59.10 with SMTP id h10mr963303wfa.8.1269939726283; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f42.google.com (mail-pw0-f42.google.com [209.85.160.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1131931pzk.12.2010.03.30.02.02.05; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.42; Received: by pwj8 with SMTP id 8so8288804pwj.1 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.109.10 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:01:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <702226df1003291006o242c37a8q6bc5ea53b6e6377d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003291109p6508ea18q8fd9cd68f593a70c@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9301003291146h66475c74off6625befee8fdf5@mail.gmail.com> <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> From: Oren Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 17:01:45 +0800 Received: by 10.142.60.5 with SMTP id i5mr2570040wfa.244.1269939725125; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 02:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <27513e551003300201p51dbe257ld4abcccbde45312@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/ddbfc16776704ed8 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502ad3b33cadd048300e2de --00504502ad3b33cadd048300e2de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't oppose the idea, but I thought it might be a nice exercise or challenge to a typographer to beautify a text while catering to its readership. I've heard anything looks good in Caslon... co'o mi'e korbi On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 16:24, Michael Everson wrote: > On 29 Mar 2010, at 21:15, Christopher Doty wrote: > > > Wow, I guess I completely missed the point of this conversation and what > Michael was saying--which seems to be that he's going to do this however he > wants, never mind what anyone says, instead of trying to actually think > about this and present a solution that could be adopted by people in the > future. Is that a correct assessment? > > Only simplistically. "However he wants" is implied in that I have the final > editorial decision. > > Some people don't want me to explore this question at all. Some have made > it clear that they only want to see uncased, unpunctuated Lojban. > > Some people do want this explored. They have stated that markup would be a > positive aid to learning the language. > > What I can do is apply the normal conventions of Latin typography to the > text as though it were any other language. What I can't do is get people who > want no change to want change. What I can't do is anticipate the reaction of > the community at large to an edition of a book which treats Lojban like a > real language rather than an oddball. So I think that if I stick to my goal > ("Use standard Latin typography for this edition of Alice as in my other > editions of Alice") then I don't have to get mired in a different goal > ("Reform Lojban") since that is something for the community to decide. > > Michael > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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I don't oppose the idea, but I thought it might be a n= ice exercise or challenge to a typographer to beautify a text while caterin= g to its readership.=A0

I've heard anything looks go= od in Caslon...

co'o mi'e korbi

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 16:24, Michael Everson <michael.everson@gmail.com>= wrote:
On 29 Mar 2010, at 21:15, Christopher Doty = wrote:

> Wow, I guess I completely missed the point of this conversation and wh= at Michael was saying--which seems to be that he's going to do this how= ever he wants, never mind what anyone says, instead of trying to actually t= hink about this and present a solution that could be adopted by people in t= he future. =A0Is that a correct assessment?

Only simplistically. "However he wants" is implied in that I have= the final editorial decision.

Some people don't want me to explore this question at all. Some have ma= de it clear that they only want to see uncased, unpunctuated Lojban.

Some people do want this explored. They have stated that markup would be a = positive aid to learning the language.

What I can do is apply the normal conventions of Latin typography to the te= xt as though it were any other language. What I can't do is get people = who want no change to want change. What I can't do is anticipate the re= action of the community at large to an edition of a book which treats Lojba= n like a real language rather than an oddball. So I think that if I stick t= o my goal ("Use standard Latin typography for this edition of Alice as= in my other editions of Alice") then I don't have to get mired in= a different goal ("Reform Lojban") since that is something for t= he community to decide.

Michael

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