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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <6589DDB4-64A2-4D95-93E8-E9F038515A76@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 206.190.37.190 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/6a57f3afbec498a7 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > remod, are you=20 > seriously suggesting that a competing orthography is the answer to BPFK= =20 > stagnation? Competing? > The BPFK (surely by now a mythical=20 > creature) is unable to make any decisions on important issues (now years = old)=20 > like xorlo, dotside, completing cmavo definitions, correcting the errors = in CLL=20 > etc.=A0 How exactly will a change in the orthography change=20 > things? I'm not proposing to change Lojban's standard orthography. I'm=20 > proposing to set one very special book in a particular way, in a variatio= n of=20 > Lojban's standard orthography.=20 What do you mean by 'special'?=A0=A0If there were a bunch of books already = printed in=20 standard orthography, then yours would be 'special' in the sense of 'except= ional'. If your is the ONLY book, then special' means 'only'.=A0 And there lies the= crux of=20 the problem.=A0 A newbie will be likely to acquire your book quite early on= in his=20 Lojbanic development and, despite disclaimers, will give your orthography t= he same=20 weight or similar as the official orthography. totus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.