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From: Michael Everson In-Reply-To: <35498.8104.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:21:11 +0100 Message-Id: <8FB70181-CB76-4D93-A123-1D85061FDA77@gmail.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> <702226df1003290810r9685560v7ef251bdfb421911@mail.gmail.com> <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <702226df1003291006o242c37a8q6bc5ea53b6e6377d@mail.gmail.com> <23298cb41003291406x5dc8a4faub2d8d21693f9c5fc@mail.gmail.com> <414121.54710.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6589DDB4-64A2-4D95-93E8-E9F038515A76@gmail.com> <35498.8104.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michael.everson@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.217 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=michael.everson@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: michael.everson@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/cf2807de1f647470 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 30 Mar 2010, at 13:33, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > What do you mean by 'special'? I mean that "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" is a very special book.=20 > If there were a bunch of books already printed in standard orthography, t= hen yours would be 'special' in the sense of 'exceptional'. In the context of "books in Lojban", yes. But I was referring to the contex= t of "books which are great literature beloved by millions".=20 > If your is the ONLY book, then special' means 'only'. No, my Lojban Alice will stand alongside my other Alices: Cornish, English,= Esperanto, German, Irish (published already), Afrikaans, Danish, Dutch, Fr= ench Manx, Scots, Scottish Gaelic, Swedish Ulster Scots, Yiddish (in the wo= rks or contemplated). > And there lies the crux of the problem. If problem it is.=20 > A newbie will be likely to acquire your book quite early on in his Lojban= ic development and, despite disclaimers, will give your orthography the sam= e weight or similar as the official orthography. Could be. I suspect that a newbie who acquires a book in Lojban which has p= unctuation as markup will find it easier to get a handle on the language. R= emo Dentato has shown us how he, as a learner, applied special (though not = very beautiful) markup to help himself learn.=20 Say, who was it who decided that standard Latin casing which was used in Lo= glan should be jettisoned?=20 Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.