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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.226 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/8d08061281401267 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dab4b6169d5404830515b3 --0016e6dab4b6169d5404830515b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > > > > I agree with the stability bit, but I don't agree that Lojban as writte= n > in > > the standard convention is impenetrable. > > > > A bit difficult at first, and more so with Jorge's consistent lack of > > denpabu, but not impenetrable. > > I have changed my ways a bit since then. Now I usually do write the > period when it represents a glottal stop in front of a vowel. The > reason for my change of approach was that working on the morphology > convinced me that it is more elegant to take the period there as > representing a full consonant, as opposed to the more wishy-washy > consonanthood it has as the cmevla delimiter. > > > (I would like to state that in my own > > experience, the difficulties I had when first reading Lojban have since > been > > reversed- that is, what once difficult to read due to lack of that whic= h > I > > am used to seeing in English text is now difficult if those elements > *are* > > there- with the exception of white space, and not counting my difficult= y > in > > reading {lonu lojbo bacru cu na ponse lo denpabu} ("Lojban without the > > {.}").) > > Do you really mean to use "denpabu" as a fu'ivla? > jbofi'e craps out on that sentence using {denpa bu}, but returns fine using {denpabu}, although it returns dy. as "??". Also, "A" is, in my experience, usually written as {.abu}, not {.a bu}, so it makes sense to me to write "." withou= t he space as well. As long as readers know what I'm intending, that's the important bit, right? > > "denpa bu" (or "d=E9npabu" if you prefer) is a lerfu, and in that case > you would not use a "lo" with it. But maybe "denpabu" is not such a > bad idea for a fu'ivla. > Ah, I hadn't realized that. I thought I did need the {lo}. That must be why jbofi'e crapped out-- yep, that's the reason, although I find it interestin= g that jbofi'e corrects {denpa bu} to {denpa.bu} . > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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2010/3/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com&g= t;
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with the stability bit, but I don't agree that Lojban as w= ritten in
> the standard convention is impenetrable.
>
> A bit difficult at first, and more so with Jorge's consistent lack= of
> denpabu, but not impenetrable.

I have changed my ways a bit since then. Now I usually do write the period when it represents a glottal stop in front of a vowel. The
reason for my change of approach was that working on the morphology
convinced me that it is more elegant to take the period there as
representing a full consonant, as opposed to the more wishy-washy
consonanthood it has as the cmevla delimiter.

> (I would like to state that in my own
> experience, the difficulties=A0I=A0had when first reading Lojban have = since been
> reversed- that is, what once difficult to read due to lack of that whi= ch I
> am used to seeing in English text is now difficult if those elements *= are*
> there- with the exception of white space, and not counting my difficul= ty in
> reading {lonu lojbo bacru cu na ponse lo denpabu} ("Lojban withou= t the
> {.}").)

Do you really mean to use "denpabu" as a = fu'ivla?

jbofi'e craps ou= t on that sentence using {denpa bu}, b= ut returns fine using {denpabu}, although= it returns dy. as "??". Also, "A" is, in my experience= , usually written as {.abu}, not {.a bu}, so it makes sense to me to write = "." without he space as well. As long as readers know what I'= m intending, that's the important bit, right?

"denpa bu" (or "d=E9npabu" if you prefer) is a lerfu, a= nd in that case
you would not use a "lo" with it. But maybe "denpabu" i= s not such a
bad idea for a fu'ivla.

Ah, I= hadn't realized that. I thought I did need the {lo}. That must be why = jbofi'e crapped out-- yep, that's the reason, although I find it in= teresting that jbofi'e corrects {denpa bu} to=A0{denpa.bu}.
=A0

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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