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From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.218 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/ddff1517d718f756 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65426361529f00483051e22 --0016e65426361529f00483051e22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 30 Mar 2010, at 11:32, Remo Dentato wrote: > > > I think that an example of a page with lojban text composed according > your proposal would be very beneficial for the discussion. > > OK. I mocked this up quite quickly. [...] > http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jbo-p.1.png > > My lojban is not good enough to check that all the "add-ons" (quotes, parenthesis, etc) are placed correctly but, assuming they are, I find the second one much much more appealing an easy to the eye. What we would really need is a point of view from somebody whose mother language does not use latin. Any Hebrew or Chinese or Arabic or ... speaker around? I would remove the roman numeral from the title as this is what pamo'o is for, apart from that I'm sure that a newcomer will feel much less intimidated by the second page. The fact that the the ".i" is written ". I" (possibly on two different lines) is not disturbing me at all. I would judge your work with the following criteria: - Is it readable and easy to the eye ? - If I strip all non-lojbanic elements (quotes, parenthesis, etc) is the result correct according to lojban rules? 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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Michael Everson= <michael= .everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Mar 2010, at 11:32, Remo Dentato wrote:

> I think that an example of a page with lojban text composed according = your proposal would be very beneficial for the discussion.

OK. I mocked this up quite quickly. [...]
http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jbo-p.1.png


My lojban is not good enou= gh to check that all the "add-ons" (quotes, parenthesis, etc) are= placed correctly but, assuming they are, I find the second one much much m= ore appealing an easy to the eye.

What we would really need is a point of view from somebody whose mother= language does not use latin. Any Hebrew or Chinese or Arabic or ... speake= r around?

I would remove the roman numeral from the title as this is= what pamo'o is for, apart from that I'm sure that a newcomer will = feel much less intimidated by the second page.

The fact that the the ".i" is written ". I" (possib= ly on two different lines) is not disturbing me at all.

I would judg= e your work with the following criteria:
=A0 - Is it readable and easy t= o the eye ?
=A0 - If I strip all non-lojbanic elements (quotes, parenthesis, etc) is th= e result correct according to lojban rules?

If the answer is "y= es" to both, I will be absolutely in favor.




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