From 3FAaySwgJBhgF12BHyHC4Ay69.0CA9C7zyB4CC4924FCIDG.0CA@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 07:09:51 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f141.google.com ([209.85.210.141]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3FAaySwgJBhgF12BHyHC4Ay69.0CA9C7zyB4CC4924FCIDG.0CA@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nwc8Y-0007Uf-2i for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:50 -0700 Received: by yxe5 with SMTP id 5sf1662294yxe.2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=HnADflOdd0uAKnJ0gNdyyn3bnltnGdJPCyHfMpE3G98=; b=nQL6Qd/Lm7uB1ILuKCBREpWdVfmnUs44h2RrghXcZ+r3TpywSiqVCjho3cdF59PxTj wN9pXB+QwoL0wcgPMjay8LEMVrsbfPLzLNhuy+e7dSWB0zpCUoTGoASeynIqRD+wNS0H 5r08/D4FdxoKe8n0vRbCCSjmFHXaEW5DLNaXM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=pZxCEO2m+Nw2uZ0FcH4WzxuvC/18mMAMoDUJJKIjTWk7sntzCd+p6iG5JADaGnLA+K iuvyCtGRYAFg4UXD8WPDSlvxZhGrrASiJYLtz/lIzyR94LrEeAf4JfjDygbk3GTLOB1j QQ2j8yJpT6J66kdDoF1Bdi8ZSPdQufLhSSIxQ= Received: by 10.91.101.18 with SMTP id d18mr507366agm.55.1269958164679; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.59.76 with SMTP id k12ls69945ebh.3.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.8 with SMTP id q8mr14534ebe.14.1269958163400; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.8 with SMTP id q8mr14533ebe.14.1269958163323; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f210.google.com (mail-ew0-f210.google.com [209.85.219.210]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 11si311334ewy.9.2010.03.30.07.09.22; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.210 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.210; Received: by mail-ew0-f210.google.com with SMTP id 2so632071ewy.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.21.19 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <23298cb41003300705m2acd359ai123c00b0ee5ff2e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> <20100330090253.GG3000@nvg.org> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> <23298cb41003300705m2acd359ai123c00b0ee5ff2e3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 16:09:20 +0200 Received: by 10.216.88.14 with SMTP id z14mr169634wee.129.1269958160990; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <23298cb41003300709l74c14f66i41bd468e72c54020@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.210 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/75d9d842bf3b40ba Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e92510c3be0483052d94 --0016e6d7e92510c3be0483052d94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry I gave for granted a third principle. Let me recap: - Is it readable and easy to the eye ? - does it allow a quicker identification of the sentence components? - If I strip all non-lojbanic elements (quotes, parenthesis, etc) is the result correct according to lojban rules? So there must be three "yes" :) On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Remo Dentato wrote: > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Michael Everson < > michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 30 Mar 2010, at 11:32, Remo Dentato wrote: >> >> > I think that an example of a page with lojban text composed according >> your proposal would be very beneficial for the discussion. >> >> OK. I mocked this up quite quickly. [...] >> >> http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jbo-p.1.png >> >> > My lojban is not good enough to check that all the "add-ons" (quotes, > parenthesis, etc) are placed correctly but, assuming they are, I find the > second one much much more appealing an easy to the eye. > > What we would really need is a point of view from somebody whose mother > language does not use latin. Any Hebrew or Chinese or Arabic or ... speaker > around? > > I would remove the roman numeral from the title as this is what pamo'o is > for, apart from that I'm sure that a newcomer will feel much less > intimidated by the second page. > > The fact that the the ".i" is written ". I" (possibly on two different > lines) is not disturbing me at all. > > I would judge your work with the following criteria: > - Is it readable and easy to the eye ? > - If I strip all non-lojbanic elements (quotes, parenthesis, etc) is the > result correct according to lojban rules? > > If the answer is "yes" to both, I will be absolutely in favor. > > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6d7e92510c3be0483052d94 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry I gave for granted a third principle. Let me recap:

- Is it re= adable and easy to the eye ?
- does it allow a quicker identification of= the sentence components?
- If I strip all non-lojbanic elements (quotes= , parenthesis, etc) is=20 the result correct according to lojban rules?

So there must be three= "yes" :)

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 = at 4:05 PM, Remo Dentato <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Michael Everso= n <michael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Mar 2010, at 11:32, Remo Dentato wrote:

> I think that an example of a page with lojban text composed according = your proposal would be very beneficial for the discussion.

OK. I mocked this up quite quickly. [...]

http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jbo-p.1.png


My lojban is not goo= d enough to check that all the "add-ons" (quotes, parenthesis, et= c) are placed correctly but, assuming they are, I find the second one much = much more appealing an easy to the eye.

What we would really need is a point of view from somebody whose mother= language does not use latin. Any Hebrew or Chinese or Arabic or ... speake= r around?

I would remove the roman numeral from the title as this is= what pamo'o is for, apart from that I'm sure that a newcomer will = feel much less intimidated by the second page.

The fact that the the ".i" is written ". I" (possib= ly on two different lines) is not disturbing me at all.

I would judg= e your work with the following criteria:
=A0 - Is it readable and easy t= o the eye ?
=A0 - If I strip all non-lojbanic elements (quotes, parenthesis, etc) is th= e result correct according to lojban rules?

If the answer is "y= es" to both, I will be absolutely in favor.





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