From 3zRKySwcJBt0DXDNMTRFL9HK.BNLKNIA9MFNNFKDFQNTOR.BNL@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 08:04:13 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3zRKySwcJBt0DXDNMTRFL9HK.BNLKNIA9MFNNFKDFQNTOR.BNL@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nwcz5-0004yw-Ao for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:04:12 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf18711243gyd.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=S62+ZdO9G5zKz+C6EneS4Wau8G2D35YGpSySr4heKDk=; b=6GnFxRxWfNiJP6D/DI5pdqId9dAamFua2MJyrsciPHMVYl0/skG+mDb5VBZFWlmbJ0 Qf+5Dj9NtlyCMB0IxcJg3dSrpwAIRjwWQxqUd4oKCLPd0+vklfFV6OQAi8OGcpy7Ol0U dNRAvU0KxRPhGGFhkZigoDQNXdubA3/F4Yc6U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=zIC2h3sGyWK8d/VvmB8WAeqTQIj7fKxLOLL9EPuWPj21UGj6qV5+95ztQPlV/4YWRi DXgCOKNGJR5LQM2QtFvYnUHzufI7VqKQyZYUxNqqlTbbp6D8TAlPYnJADxrh5Mi7YNAc eo4GEL+ChvVEbsIJ9lBqVaQEneop7s+xUu9Gc= Received: by 10.91.84.19 with SMTP id m19mr514587agl.12.1269961421190; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.2.77 with SMTP id 13ls1404651ebi.0.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.52.69 with SMTP id h5mr27741ebg.5.1269961418307; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.52.69 with SMTP id h5mr27738ebg.5.1269961417809; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f222.google.com (mail-ew0-f222.google.com [209.85.219.222]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si315730ewy.12.2010.03.30.08.03.36; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.222 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.222; Received: by mail-ew0-f222.google.com with SMTP id 22so2389368ewy.17 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.2.209 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <5715b9301003291146h66475c74off6625befee8fdf5@mail.gmail.com> <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> <20100330090253.GG3000@nvg.org> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:03:36 -0600 Received: by 10.216.88.136 with SMTP id a8mr1242966wef.77.1269961416595; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <702226df1003300803m6caec9f7y7a66b3bf9b71009b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.219.222 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/b3a0d7f73a92fba3 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64c231d5dff048305ef05 --0016e6d64c231d5dff048305ef05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay, I can deal with most of it. I prefer the left example better. (Although I'd rather someone went in with a fine-toothed comb and put those denpa bu in where they belong.) The right-side, I can deal with most of it. There is one thing in that example that is seriously grating, however. To use the first sentence: "...gi'e zukte fi noda. I abuboi...." This is horrible. Accepting your desire to capitalize for this example only, that phrase should be "...gie' zukte fi noda .i Abuboi....". {.i} is the Lojban word for the English period. If you're going to mark punctuation, I'd prefer you be consistent. For example, "lu<<...>>li'u" but "(to...toi)"? The punctuation should be the same, so "to(...)toi". I still don't like the capitalization. I think that a proficient jbopre, preferably Jorge, he being the author, should go through your work and make sure that things such as what I've pointed out are corrected, such as putting the {.} in the right place, and preferably in all the places that {.} has been optionally removed. On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 30 Mar 2010, at 11:32, Remo Dentato wrote: > > > I think that an example of a page with lojban text composed according > your proposal would be very beneficial for the discussion. > > OK. I mocked this up quite quickly. First, look again at the Yiddish > example: > > http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-yi-p.1.png > > Then, have a look at the Lojban: > > http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jbo-p.1.png > > Michael > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6d64c231d5dff048305ef05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I can deal with most of it. I prefer the left example better. (Althou= gh I'd rather someone went in with a fine-toothed comb and put those de= npa bu in where they belong.) The right-side, I can deal with most of it. T= here is one thing in that example that is seriously grating, however. To us= e the first sentence: "...gi'e zukte fi noda. I abuboi...." T= his is horrible. Accepting your desire to capitalize for this example only,= that phrase should be "...gie' zukte fi noda .i Abuboi....".= {.i} is the Lojban word for the English period.

If you're going to mark punctuation, I'd prefer you = be consistent. For example, "lu<<...>>li'u" but &= quot;(to...toi)"? The punctuation should be the same, so "to(...)= toi".

I still don't like the capitalization.
I think that a proficient jbopre, preferably Jorge, he being t= he author, should go through your work and make sure that things such as wh= at I've pointed out are corrected, such as putting the {.} in the right= place, and preferably in all the places that {.} has been optionally remov= ed.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Michael Eve= rson <mic= hael.everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Mar 2010, at 11:32, Remo Dentato wrote:

> I think that an example of a page with lojban text composed according = your proposal would be very beneficial for the discussion.

OK. I mocked this up quite quickly. First, look again at the Yiddish = example:

http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-yi-p.1.png

Then, have a look at the Lojban:

http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jbo-p.1.png

Michael

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