From 3oy2ySwoMBs4D86.9B27wyEu5vyBDu.7yD583vu708805y0B8E9C.w86@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 09:58:45 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3oy2ySwoMBs4D86.9B27wyEu5vyBDu.7yD583vu708805y0B8E9C.w86@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nwelt-0006jA-Hf for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:58:43 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf3566407pvb.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:58:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=cdPAjDj0VGZQOI944cCqcJVcIhtiGcVXK9viGFJWgYM=; b=VyBqPro8JUncpdg0MI5iNJQ+O7mkjRz2e2NCMbHyU6s9IL9Fm2t0sYuAnMmlV+80Ec gNxYHPdzxmZZENSoR7/98CqfKbWMsAtIFKy8Sn+q0Z4eBDC34qnSortYqG4T336aVl2V fGLYAKOgOI66OKM0XFoYYBG5TGIfuEWmlIDZM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=EgK71NiAxlX7RQkbyEnCbOj45f70ihnAPjhmvWg35El+2mBLi2nQHC0be7Yl+ftXiS grmKTwRNBK4GnuXG9IEqXmPogQObYj5aDUlhxudYMc1bHN4thQ5gd0CSHcsF2inf1AY8 ZDh/UR2XlPX7HQGcMFtVtPD1GvtvQd5jS0gjo= Received: by 10.141.131.19 with SMTP id i19mr205042rvn.28.1269968291581; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:58:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.214.5 with SMTP id r5ls2877970rvq.3.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.13 with SMTP id b13mr1077701rvn.24.1269968290037; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.22.14 with SMTP id z14mr1055977rvi.18.1269958263459; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.22.14 with SMTP id z14mr1055976rvi.18.1269958263430; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from socrates.hocat.ca (socrates.hocat.ca [76.10.188.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si1197253pzk.13.2010.03.30.07.11.03; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:11:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 76.10.188.53 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of tom.prince@ualberta.net) client-ip=76.10.188.53; Received: from hermes.hocat.ca (hermes.hocat.ca [69.165.170.253]) by socrates.hocat.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id E5AEF229D for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:10:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: (nullmailer pid 6498 invoked by uid 1000); Mon, 29 Mar 2010 22:43:17 -0000 Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:43:17 -0400 From: Tom Prince To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. Message-ID: <20100329224315.GA25961@hermes.hocat.ca> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 76.10.188.53 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of tom.prince@ualberta.net) smtp.mail=tom.prince@ualberta.net X-Original-Sender: tom.prince@ualberta.net Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/eb1e85cd90709297 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 03:55:20PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 29 Mar 2010, at 15:31, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 2:58 AM, Michael Everson > > wrote: > > > >>> You want to use Gothic letters and what-not, fine. You > >>> want to use special fonts, fine. Just don't mess with > >>> the standard Lojban typographic conventions and we've > >>> got no problems. > >> > >> Except that the book is then a whole mess of lower-case > >> letters with no punctuation. > > > > Lojban is written in lower-case letters with no > > punctuation. I don't see a problem. > > OK. Fine. My goal is to treat Lojban not like an oddball, > but as a full citizen of the community of languages which > enjoy fine Latin typography. Perhaps you do not see this > as an interesting or valuable goal, but it is nevertheless > the goal which I have. > > In my view, just pouring a whole mess of lower-case > letters with no punctuation into my Alice template would > not result in "fine Latin typography". .i haven't studied lojban very much ,so take what i say with a grain of salt .however ,your objection to using standard lojbanic convections is that they make it hard to distinguish sentences and the like .i suspect that capitalization isn't the only method one could use to make the separation clear ,and that with some thought ,you could find a way that both looks good ,by whatever criteria ,and would satisfy the lojban community .for one thing ,as far as i can tell ,punctuation isn't frowned upon ,it merely follows different rules that natural languages ,and is optional .i would guess that no one would object to adding punctuation to la alis. as long as it was conventional *lojbanic* punctuation .furthermore ,i would hope that there are more typographical tools available to indicate structure ,than just capitalization ,which does seem to be a sore point ,and perhaps rightly so .lojban isn't a natural language ,and on some level it doesn't even have sentences ,it has something something analogous ,and has many of the same functions ,but is different enough to deserve *not* to be called a sentence Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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