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From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.219 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/a18d16494c1f9a81 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/30, Michael Everson : > On 29 Mar 2010, at 21:17, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > The eye has nowhere to focus. then we should ask, "what should it focus on?". ".i" is more "focusable", than both capitalized "I" and pure ".", 2 dots is better than one, so the sentence boundary is already better "anchoring" in "lojban", then in most others. The next best thing to focus on is a selbri, as it carries the "core relation" thing. However, typical sentence contains a lot of selbri-s, inside =ABlo ku=BB, =ABnu kei=BB, =ABlu li'u=BBetc. None of them gets a foc= us in "conventional typography". Then goes all the "syntax words", terminators, and their numerous counterparts. Marking them with something like =AB([{ do can make the life easier for the learner. But again, typical sentence will need a lot of them, so we will introduce a lot of undesirable "noise" into the text. Probably, it would be nice to use them in some non-trivial places, however "too complex" case will require the counting of opening/closing "braces", something, humans do not like very much. The indentation do works better here IMO, that is again not in "English typography". So, it looks like an attempt to use the conventional typography will just distract en eye from the most "valuable" or "complex" places. With the exception of carefully placed [=AB({})=BB]. --=20 mu'o mi'e lex --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.