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From: Robert McIvor In-reply-to: <8FB70181-CB76-4D93-A123-1D85061FDA77@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:42:07 -0400 Message-id: <18334E07-8CAA-4AF9-8998-0B2817588103@mac.com> References: <2320FCB7-86FE-4E30-9F24-DAD6E40024D7@evertype.com> <925d17561003280714y30d5eb1fo19b9f97eb6902eaa@mail.gmail.com> <5BD9338A-1033-49E9-9A75-49046469DE95@gmail.com> <702226df1003290731i3cbaeb3fs9db2d49a667273b1@mail.gmail.com> <44AE9DF1-8DD8-4134-895C-054AA27AE1EC@gmail.com> <702226df1003290810r9685560v7ef251bdfb421911@mail.gmail.com> <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <702226df1003291006o242c37a8q6bc5ea53b6e6377d@mail.gmail.com> <23298cb41003291406x5dc8a4faub2d8d21693f9c5fc@mail.gmail.com> <414121.54710.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <6589DDB4-64A2-4D95-93E8-E9F038515A76@gmail.com> <35498.8104.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <8FB70181-CB76-4D93-A123-1D85061FDA77@gmail.com> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rmcivor@mac.com designates 17.148.16.98 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rmcivor@mac.com X-Original-Sender: rmcivor@mac.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/fd2416067f6e54ca Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 30 Mar, 2010, at 9:21, Michael Everson wrote: > =20 > Say, who was it who decided that standard Latin casing which was used in = Loglan should be jettisoned?=20 >=20 > Michael >=20 > --=20 At the time Lojban separated from Loglan, Loglan was written without casi= ng and punctuation. The introduction of casing and punctuation in Loglan or= iginated with the book written by Alex Leith, who became CEO of the Loglan = Institute when JCB decided to retire to tackle other interests. JCB was so= mewhat opposed to this, but eventually accepted, provided that the text cou= ld be unambiguously converted to the original version accepted by the parse= r. On another point, my recollection is that the separation arose because JC= B insisted that anything published under the name Loglan should receive his= approval before publication, which a group in Washington studying Loglan f= ound too restrictive. To ensure this, he declared that the vocabulary was u= nder copyright. At the time, he considered Loglan to still be in a develop= ment phase of which he wanted to have complete control. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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