From 3nTWySwsJBtA7G60wx0D20928w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 10:32:39 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3nTWySwsJBtA7G60wx0D20928w47.yA87A5xw92AA2702DAGBE.yA8@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwfIo-0000z9-Qd for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:39 -0700 Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19sf61662vws.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2Y3Rzcl4iqSpD06s4r1O2nevmF4IElmk5dx8twtX7W0=; b=tT2zTFtW1VEjZYbO7KaP9F0tU3Kbc71ktsPfzmIVlTK+cz8im6KkMZAC19I8GHSx4Q wWC0tXE4VQpPX9q1Sf0U1WB9efpsW2pwncLh9ZtJicnj6Xp3ZgfL/459QVvP3Ir7D8UJ gKhUUDLjfQmE9rCgLauxoI2sMY2tfdB0JHmps= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Y6+9yegocO7l9tlUnLlDmkYVhw20JwshoswLbAm0R62BYmzeX5+n54P79Eb/4UlLdC BVK5S7/s5+/kVZsHfyf1g7V17aKEUVOyaGCwNVgMwW5leQqmFCb6eFDUa6pUltT8gDbr cJESnpAqSNEdC5C2hAzmnGRcKVVFh1hq+nzPM= Received: by 10.220.124.227 with SMTP id v35mr244975vcr.45.1269970333170; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.85 with SMTP id o21ls2191620vck.0.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.67.84 with SMTP id q20mr1593512vci.8.1269970330830; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.67.84 with SMTP id q20mr1593511vci.8.1269970330768; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 21si13872402vws.1.2010.03.30.10.32.09; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by mail-vw0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 20so879775vws.19 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.206 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:32:09 -0400 Received: by 10.220.107.21 with SMTP id z21mr3333916vco.197.1269970329424; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:32:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5715b9301003301032l3dc05132u30e51a2950f03dbc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Michael Everson, What Do You Want From Us? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b548fd0eaf4c6a85 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/83ddf428b9c8dd8b Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8e5f735c533d04830802f1 --00c09f8e5f735c533d04830802f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Matt, aside from this conversation we've been having with Michael, what is stopping the LLG from publishing it's own works? With so few works published already I would probably buy just about anything that DID get published. What is stopping the LLG from publishing la .alis, lo nu binxo, la nicte cadzu (once it's finished), etc...? On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christopher Doty wrote: > Plus one. This is really obnoxious, as Michael seems content to do > whatever he is going to do anyway, which some will like and some won't; I > fail to see how 100s of emails about it does anything but annoy. > > I do think there is room for discussion about how/if to use quotation marks > and the like, but Michael seems to not want to participate in this, and I > think any discussion about such issues should be divorced from this one > publication. > > Chris > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:12, Matt Arnold wrote: > >> Every once in a while, someone discovers Lojban and comes on the list >> to tell us how much they don't like it. But we can't do language >> reform at so deep a level, even if we wanted to, so those >> conversations are, to me, pointless and uninteresting. >> >> This seems like another case of it. We lack the power to stop you >> publishing your book, so what has me confused is, why don't you? What >> are you trying to achieve here? Do you want or need something from us? >> Does it just give you some kind of gratification to apply a lot of >> negative adjectives to Lojban? Or what? >> >> I've trawled through more of this endless discussion than I should >> have. I am bored now. I don't want to read any more, so your reply is >> probably the last email I will read on this topic. Make it concise. >> >> -Matt >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >> . >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00c09f8e5f735c533d04830802f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matt, aside from this conversation we've been having with Michael, what= is stopping the LLG from publishing it's own works? =A0With so few wor= ks published already I would probably buy just about anything that DID get = published. =A0What is stopping the LLG from publishing la .alis, lo nu binx= o, la nicte cadzu (once it's finished), etc...?

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christopher= Doty <suomich= ris@gmail.com> wrote:
Plus one. =A0This is really obnoxious, as Michael seems content to do whate= ver he is going to do anyway, which some will like and some won't; I fa= il to see how 100s of emails about it does anything but annoy.

I do think there is room for discussion about how/if to use quotation = marks and the like, but Michael seems to not want to participate in this, a= nd I think any discussion about such issues should be divorced from this on= e publication.

Chris


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:12, Matt Arnold <matt.m= attarn@gmail.com> wrote:
Every once in a while, someone discovers Lojban and comes on the list
to tell us how much they don't like it. But we can't do language reform at so deep a level, even if we wanted to, so those
conversations are, to me, pointless and uninteresting.

This seems like another case of it. We lack the power to stop you
publishing your book, so what has me confused is, why don't you? What are you trying to achieve here? Do you want or need something from us?
Does it just give you some kind of gratification to apply a lot of
negative adjectives to Lojban? Or what?

I've trawled through more of this endless discussion than I should
have. I am bored now. I don't want to read any more, so your reply is probably the last email I will read on this topic. Make it concise.

-Matt

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