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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9b7ac34968ae6d65 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d626993019920483080500 --0016e6d626993019920483080500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/3/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > > > > {.i} begins a new sentence, not ends an old one, I know this. > > Strictly speaking, from a syntactic point of view, it separates two > sentences. > > (1) broda .i brode > (2) .i broda .i brode > (3) broda .i brode .i > (4) .i broda .i brode .i > > All four are grammatically correct. (1) is the normal use, since the > others contain unnecessary separators. > > > {vau} is actually the Lojban word for the English period, > > "vau" terminates a bridi-tail, but not necessarily a whole sentence. > In this sentence: > > ko'a broda ko'e ko'i (vau) gi'e brode ko'o vau ko'u > > The first "vau" can be elided, and terminates the (broda ko'e ko'i) > bridi-tail. The second "vau" is not elidable, it terminates the (brode > ko'o vau) bridi-tail, and allows the following term, "ko'u" to be > shared by the two connected bridi, just like the initial term "ko'a". > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > Arg. Jorge, getting all technical. 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2010/3/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> {.i} begins a new sentence, not ends an old one, I know this.

Strictly speaking, from a syntactic point of view, it separates two s= entences.

(1) =A0broda .i brode
(2) =A0.i broda .i brode
(3) = =A0broda .i brode .i
(4) =A0.i broda .i brode .i

All four are gra= mmatically correct. (1) is the normal use, since the
others contain unnecessary separators.

> {vau} is actually the Lojban word for the Englis= h period,

"vau" terminates a bridi-tail, but not nec= essarily a whole sentence.
In this sentence:

=A0 ko'a broda k= o'e ko'i (vau) gi'e brode ko'o vau ko'u

The first "vau" can be elided, and terminates the (broda ko&#= 39;e ko'i)
bridi-tail. The second "vau" is not elidable, i= t terminates the (brode
ko'o vau) bridi-tail, and allows the followi= ng term, "ko'u" to be
shared by the two connected bridi, just like the initial term "ko'= a".

mu'o mi'e xorxes
=A0
Arg. Jorge, getting all technical. I was being overly-simplistic, I ap= ologize.
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