From 3JTiySwgSBlsKEIHP7EE6B9BM3EDBG96HF.HK9EHC43G9HH9E79KHNIL.5HF@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 10:43:30 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3JTiySwgSBlsKEIHP7EE6B9BM3EDBG96HF.HK9EHC43G9HH9E79KHNIL.5HF@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwfTH-0001Ub-M3 for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:43:30 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf3603742pwi.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:43:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=4jgmPloqDf7APHUSK8QwmglDdtzAIODtQ5n+BSIGBIw=; b=WtgTzuS/2GKXS/2gFjTXxWVPyhZCQuHGU0aOcNPcCN6kmYY/Fj7pJpfjbDHx/dsPIE T6jkU2Gl+Bq91WQFFhItNNvUqZZ3EDjdr0lWHwdRYtjQAgLwR2aI330ZB8MeYLIYISSa Znt8pyZPY0YKfBMKYGmCSutjANMnd6JrfBAi0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=ttbf3ji8q8a2w9mPoL8xZ05chbv1cQ20VEyJFvY15rN0ZOYJSOuATKMs3kyOwDi5cn vTXO/Fi0IA+FkaaoWJdp3U5l6K0m6M5le3KsU3EmMZwuFLxZgo/5FSvvmTfRfsqhCc4d eoiNtOYL3aPIjFBHdz1YvACnqPzc/SY7dgaNs= Received: by 10.141.125.16 with SMTP id c16mr213701rvn.18.1269970981969; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:43:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.187.12 with SMTP id o12ls3331614rvp.0.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr1088370rvi.10.1269970980186; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr1088369rvi.10.1269970980157; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.4]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si1246733pzk.6.2010.03.30.10.42.59; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.4; Received: (qmail 23324 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2010 17:42:59 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail2.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 30 Mar 2010 17:42:59 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NwfSr-0001Tl-Tw for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:42:58 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:42:57 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Michael Everson, What Do You Want From Us? Message-ID: <20100330174257.GT6084@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5715b9301003301032l3dc05132u30e51a2950f03dbc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5715b9301003301032l3dc05132u30e51a2950f03dbc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.4 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b548fd0eaf4c6a85 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/7a351bedce20e48a Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline A dictionary. Please patiently give me a day or two; I'm about to blow that topic wide open. -Robin On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 01:32:09PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > Matt, aside from this conversation we've been having with Michael, > what is stopping the LLG from publishing it's own works? With so > few works published already I would probably buy just about > anything that DID get published. What is stopping the LLG from > publishing la .alis, lo nu binxo, la nicte cadzu (once it's > finished), etc...? > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christopher Doty wrote: > > > Plus one. This is really obnoxious, as Michael seems content to do > > whatever he is going to do anyway, which some will like and some won't; I > > fail to see how 100s of emails about it does anything but annoy. > > > > I do think there is room for discussion about how/if to use quotation marks > > and the like, but Michael seems to not want to participate in this, and I > > think any discussion about such issues should be divorced from this one > > publication. > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:12, Matt Arnold wrote: > > > >> Every once in a while, someone discovers Lojban and comes on the list > >> to tell us how much they don't like it. But we can't do language > >> reform at so deep a level, even if we wanted to, so those > >> conversations are, to me, pointless and uninteresting. > >> > >> This seems like another case of it. We lack the power to stop you > >> publishing your book, so what has me confused is, why don't you? What > >> are you trying to achieve here? Do you want or need something from us? > >> Does it just give you some kind of gratification to apply a lot of > >> negative adjectives to Lojban? Or what? > >> > >> I've trawled through more of this endless discussion than I should > >> have. I am bored now. I don't want to read any more, so your reply is > >> probably the last email I will read on this topic. Make it concise. > >> > >> -Matt > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "lojban" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >> . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > >> > >> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.