From 3xjiySwsJBvwpyoiefivkirkqemp.gsqpsnferksskpikvsytw.gsq@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 10:46:08 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3xjiySwsJBvwpyoiefivkirkqemp.gsqpsnferksskpikvsytw.gsq@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwfVs-0001rD-3R for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:46:08 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf18861516gyd.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=j/BDIrO4SGcNGxETlC0XTZbu92KmwGW3hN5Cl/iM9zg=; b=CBRKc5/+Dh/VwkpD3s15mefC72KsqTauLCun9ewDO0+M55+ZQEZfdeN/ddoAEN5SdC LWfHXJx3gr16HEqQuvTfSHU33ysPR4zq5JSjbnIjjIS4ez5N+QukOyae/fLBmWJbcmSi bEOZBS5sR9SbE43tOgO6/GpI25Txg8rKitd8I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=yR9EXeYzgZu0ao/TGkjzt/em0qty54F15P3dwtoL4xvUjdAa3PPHv/a5Ya79gvwxCj PAhnBkP2SzzqNAXUuKIqHhqW79KgwkIFU+pDM+m/ln1+PB+hgXdFDjLwtdzxEgj955oU +sF5g1Iui1CWY1J+TdtiMLIWdEx8884WLkIuU= Received: by 10.91.101.18 with SMTP id d18mr538862agm.55.1269971142442; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.204.223 with SMTP id fn31ls865999ibb.1.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.68 with SMTP id c4mr500521ibz.2.1269971141065; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.68 with SMTP id c4mr500520ibz.2.1269971140961; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si836236iwn.5.2010.03.30.10.45.39; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20so893467vws.19 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.206 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003301032x453127b2wb27a4fe2de21336b@mail.gmail.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <20100330090253.GG3000@nvg.org> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003300803m6caec9f7y7a66b3bf9b71009b@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003301006u11a3e653gf9015a2f75ed132c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003301021q412f98asdc8a9f5b6e6d9ad8@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003301032x453127b2wb27a4fe2de21336b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:45:39 -0400 Received: by 10.220.123.214 with SMTP id q22mr76725vcr.234.1269971139530; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5715b9301003301045s334e8139h27cb7afe07e51163@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/d692b1450ae1f7b3 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636d348c3a591230483083204 --001636d348c3a591230483083204 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry to keep adding to this endless thread. But I just want to make the observation that lojban split off from loglan because one person was deciding how things were going to be despite what the community wanted. The parallel draws itself. As a member of the community, I won't accept non-standard use of capitalization as true lojban. Adding << as fancy whitespace and whatnot... whatever. But the CLL clearly states that capitalization is for emphasis, not for marking the start of "sentences" and proper nouns. It's true, anybody can publish whatever they want and call it "lojban". That's in their power. I could define a Luke version of lojban that shifts every character down one (a -> b, b -> c, etc...) But that doesn't mean that the LLG has to accept or endorse it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --001636d348c3a591230483083204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry to keep adding to this endless thread. =A0But I just want to make the= observation that lojban split off from loglan because one person was decid= ing how things were going to be despite what the community wanted. =A0The p= arallel draws itself. =A0As a member of the community, I won't accept n= on-standard use of capitalization as true lojban. =A0Adding << as fan= cy whitespace and whatnot... whatever. =A0But the CLL clearly states that= =A0capitalization=A0is for emphasis, not for marking the start of "sen= tences" and proper nouns.

It's true, anybody can publish whatever they want and call it = "lojban". =A0That's in their power. =A0I could define a Luke = version of lojban that shifts every character down one (a -> b, b -> = c, etc...) =A0But that doesn't mean that the LLG has to accept or endor= se it.

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