From 3hzmySwsJBr4pyoiefivkirkqemp.gsqpsnferksskpikvsytw.gsq@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 10:49:26 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3hzmySwsJBr4pyoiefivkirkqemp.gsqpsnferksskpikvsytw.gsq@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwfZ2-0001yZ-8o for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:49:26 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf3605351pwi.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:49:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=H/VVfmtoOp6d/qUZhLQExqQO24KzkkthP9Y7A6IqIes=; b=B9YH+yWSN1Qhr2IT5VYNEALVBJaDJ+Bz+OHwC+9ioCRfNgHvhcX7ZLQcx/IjF4gExg 6H5OE9Tmmma29go89dH74jP4IPTj3kXbTrjVq1Zlp6A2PAM5v+XJPsyJ1cIB1mwNZgJj Qvlm/z6hHXZwhTyv41PdLSeuJP1fvfomOSI7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=fXzZFXpm+H6w0vT3wp+qAmLjaJBewfbebIKgU9r0J2sRi9L181Is8BvvWOS39nImIP z08GlSr74NqpIDzIVOHj711SD9SlrugVLFw7PQXCStijhJMmezow9YYRccXVyb9kF1NM jxmMaJshv90YucFsODgQDkW0Ui7ZIRg04lBfk= Received: by 10.115.38.26 with SMTP id q26mr295437waj.11.1269971335827; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.140.255.17 with SMTP id c17ls4775949rvi.2.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr1089500rvi.10.1269971333900; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr1089499rvi.10.1269971333850; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com (mail-vw0-f41.google.com [209.85.212.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1228012pzk.12.2010.03.30.10.48.52; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.41; Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4so1033827vws.14 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.97.206 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100330174257.GT6084@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5715b9301003301032l3dc05132u30e51a2950f03dbc@mail.gmail.com> <20100330174257.GT6084@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:48:51 -0400 Received: by 10.220.107.81 with SMTP id a17mr4063258vcp.129.1269971331699; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 10:48:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5715b9301003301048n3efd2a8bq3303ea07669480db@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Michael Everson, What Do You Want From Us? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b548fd0eaf4c6a85 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/3d820771e50383af Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8de0d219d4de0483083ea7 --00c09f8de0d219d4de0483083ea7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I'm about to blow that topic wide open. Oh snap! I'm shivering with anticipation (only a slight exaggeration). On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > A dictionary. Please patiently give me a day or two; I'm about to > blow that topic wide open. > > -Robin > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 01:32:09PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > > Matt, aside from this conversation we've been having with Michael, > > what is stopping the LLG from publishing it's own works? With so > > few works published already I would probably buy just about > > anything that DID get published. What is stopping the LLG from > > publishing la .alis, lo nu binxo, la nicte cadzu (once it's > > finished), etc...? > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christopher Doty >wrote: > > > > > Plus one. This is really obnoxious, as Michael seems content to do > > > whatever he is going to do anyway, which some will like and some won't; > I > > > fail to see how 100s of emails about it does anything but annoy. > > > > > > I do think there is room for discussion about how/if to use quotation > marks > > > and the like, but Michael seems to not want to participate in this, and > I > > > think any discussion about such issues should be divorced from this one > > > publication. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:12, Matt Arnold > wrote: > > > > > >> Every once in a while, someone discovers Lojban and comes on the list > > >> to tell us how much they don't like it. But we can't do language > > >> reform at so deep a level, even if we wanted to, so those > > >> conversations are, to me, pointless and uninteresting. > > >> > > >> This seems like another case of it. We lack the power to stop you > > >> publishing your book, so what has me confused is, why don't you? What > > >> are you trying to achieve here? Do you want or need something from us? > > >> Does it just give you some kind of gratification to apply a lot of > > >> negative adjectives to Lojban? Or what? > > >> > > >> I've trawled through more of this endless discussion than I should > > >> have. I am bored now. I don't want to read any more, so your reply is > > >> probably the last email I will read on this topic. Make it concise. > > >> > > >> -Matt > > >> > > >> -- > > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >> "lojban" group. > > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > >> . > > >> For more options, visit this group at > > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > >> > > >> > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "lojban" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00c09f8de0d219d4de0483083ea7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=A0I'm about to= =A0blow that topic wide open.

Oh snap! =A0I'm shiver= ing with anticipation (only a slight=A0exaggeration).

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org= > wrote:
A dictionary. =A0Please patiently give me a day or two; I'm about to blow that topic wide open.

-Robin

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 01:32:09PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Matt, aside from this conversation we've been having with Michael,=
> what is stopping the LLG from publishing it's own works? =A0With s= o
> few works published already I would probably buy just about
> anything that DID get published. =A0What is stopping the LLG from
> publishing la .alis, lo nu binxo, la nicte cadzu (once it's
> finished), etc...?
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Christopher Doty <suomichris@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Plus one. =A0This is really obnoxious, as Michael seems content t= o do
> > whatever he is going to do anyway, which some will like and some = won't; I
> > fail to see how 100s of emails about it does anything but annoy.<= br> > >
> > I do think there is room for discussion about how/if to use quota= tion marks
> > and the like, but Michael seems to not want to participate in thi= s, and I
> > think any discussion about such issues should be divorced from th= is one
> > publication.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:12, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Every once in a while, someone discovers Lojban and comes on = the list
> >> to tell us how much they don't like it. But we can't = do language
> >> reform at so deep a level, even if we wanted to, so those
> >> conversations are, to me, pointless and uninteresting.
> >>
> >> This seems like another case of it. We lack the power to stop= you
> >> publishing your book, so what has me confused is, why don'= ;t you? What
> >> are you trying to achieve here? Do you want or need something= from us?
> >> Does it just give you some kind of gratification to apply a l= ot of
> >> negative adjectives to Lojban? Or what?
> >>
> >> I've trawled through more of this endless discussion than= I should
> >> have. I am bored now. I don't want to read any more, so y= our reply is
> >> probably the last email I will read on this topic. Make it co= ncise.
> >>
> >> -Matt
> >>
> >> --
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