From 3RUCySwgSBoMyswv3lsskpnp0hsrpunkvt.vynsvqihunvvnslnyv1wz.jvt@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 11:18:10 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3RUCySwgSBoMyswv3lsskpnp0hsrpunkvt.vynsvqihunvvnslnyv1wz.jvt@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nwg0p-0003qf-Cn for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:18:10 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf3592087pvb.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=+ues/MyyzwNAshLa/7XOhYg9iH2cq39Epxg5QXNdR5A=; b=S6qbJ4TCGfXe3wsMB4fV0UjTcI9AHM3KK9Mb03I2GoCfBQbtz5WSAgIwoDu/JGDOvm 9EU7OJFJ7I6eb1zgEZT08lOlXs8ciErhwFgub1KdgL3tLe1apGt1CEes7Ip6Gr4oEwRv PqBVZQq5OKIyCPRCbjngyUaBgZrbD9vTS1bvY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=Y+xzatxhkyf+5vkeYr8vUl3Pza1tYS3/J8zTz6jPwjQkpwycnM4FzX+bCGxMec80Kr QYU8MMAkxK7/tr1CJRNwJ7yp5be9dKB5mnXmUdBrr6wxhhp3B6jzT+Hsl9v3+D6NRCh7 pShZBbzszIxaYaz2KJ8TfdIr/k3IU63D18UfM= Received: by 10.115.100.27 with SMTP id c27mr303437wam.3.1269973061781; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.22 with SMTP id q22ls123395rvp.1.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.2.7 with SMTP id e7mr1095978rvi.6.1269973060849; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.2.7 with SMTP id e7mr1095977rvi.6.1269973060830; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si1229384pzk.11.2010.03.30.11.17.40; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.8; Received: (qmail 22699 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2010 18:17:40 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 30 Mar 2010 18:17:40 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nwg0Q-0003qJ-7E for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:38 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:17:38 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. Message-ID: <20100330181738.GV6084@digitalkingdom.org> References: <5715b9301003291146h66475c74off6625befee8fdf5@mail.gmail.com> <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> <20100330090253.GG3000@nvg.org> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/ace39c8d96edd74f Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 02:35:30PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 30 Mar 2010, at 11:32, Remo Dentato wrote: > > > I think that an example of a page with lojban text composed > > according your proposal would be very beneficial for the > > discussion. > > OK. I mocked this up quite quickly. First, look again at the > Yiddish example: > > http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-yi-p.1.png > > Then, have a look at the Lojban: > > http://www.evertype.com/books/alice-jbo-p.1.png This may not have been your intention, but so we're clear: the thing on the left is not how I write Lojban for publication; it needs dots. If your intention was to show two forms that you find OK, then nevermind, but if your intention was to compare normal Lojban orthography to your version, you've erected a straw man. Which totally isn't your fault, because xorxes has a dot allergy. I consider Lojban without dots harder to read, because "i" is a lot harder to scan for than ".i", and I was intending to cage match to the death on this issue before being OK with the LLG publishing "la .alis.". -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.