From 3p0OySwgSBugbVZYgOVVNSQSdKVUSXQNYW.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 11:32:33 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3p0OySwgSBugbVZYgOVVNSQSdKVUSXQNYW.YbQVYTLKXQYYQVOQbYeZc.MYW@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwgEm-0004pX-FX for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:33 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf3596631pvb.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=4Kc6/YnSluy+w6YvLe+uovnrvvY77FQNeXwEjSi0Dl0=; b=szCRtdB1n9U04EOE+t3Cv8XKzBKOTND7/CyL7QRtN8CNIQ41tJ55Zi4kcsyijXPLxy wdSb/jGIrWkOUTpWhVtZRzqX6DYyqSXXnP7dwDcm8UNzELUM+IZUpe741wYUOb8lWX9S vpLBB4mhCERMEV6hrJCP4nMcUWZ2+D611QYDQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=ENoRZnkvr7vNo9w2rv41yiubfWVI5aKvSQsYXkavv0XLhJZ+R6YnS1u9cvp9zgvHce LG0MXwkHi2nreucok4K+yz9OvyvXPdOvemYaLUpU0U8BPgk9VzWFsCVQGrzYFpw1dFMY +rRkOt0cepkLpozqXBcQ65i/4NMlPKhOVRVbc= Received: by 10.142.248.35 with SMTP id v35mr161677wfh.22.1269973927011; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.214.5 with SMTP id r5ls2945995rvq.3.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr1096780rvi.25.1269973926073; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.4.8 with SMTP id g8mr1096779rvi.25.1269973926049; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.10]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1238481pzk.12.2010.03.30.11.32.05; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.10 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.10; Received: (qmail 2393 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2010 18:32:05 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail8.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 30 Mar 2010 18:32:05 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NwgEO-0004op-Me for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:04 -0700 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:32:04 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. Message-ID: <20100330183204.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> References: <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> <20100330090253.GG3000@nvg.org> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> <20100330181738.GV6084@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.10 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/3c9fc603c62975da Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 07:26:20PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 30 Mar 2010, at 19:17, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > This may not have been your intention, but so we're clear: the > > thing on the left is not how I write Lojban for publication; it > > needs dots. If your intention was to show two forms that you > > find OK, then nevermind, but if your intention was to compare > > normal Lojban orthography to your version, you've erected a > > straw man. > > I always find mentions of straw men unconvincing. > > The text on the left is based on the source text as I have it, > which has no dots. Which is why I said it wasn't your fault. > Is there a version with dots? Not that I'm aware of; there are many reasons we haven't published this yet ourselves; that's only one of them. If I were you, I'd check in every year or so, so you don't have to deal with us crazies. It is very much our (the LLG's) intention to publish "la .alis."; it only just occured to me now that not everyone is aware of that. :) A simple search and replace of "alis" => ".alis." and "i" => ".i" will cover most of it, should you be interested in seeing what the actual standard orthography looks like. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.