From 3WEmySwMHBp89QIMUF.NQFKNIA9MFNNFKDFQNTOR.BNL@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 11:56:53 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3WEmySwMHBp89QIMUF.NQFKNIA9MFNNFKDFQNTOR.BNL@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwgcJ-0005gq-3A for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:56:52 -0700 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1sf10298084gwb.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:56:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-nvg-mailscanner-information:x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eqaD5mDQzrmY8tIle2YnTDvg9/yUWS47jFasBx5a7fM=; b=oTnaTmxhpAwAjW4TmxVCKsiTYVO5C9g0JbFYbwHxujfNRRemY50ku+MFmjf2RIqJqG Q2jJ3bx12gm7ltSAte6y2hRVDAXSJslx+7hM2lYE/EUfGJOJJXxCPkLTVtKYgwL4uJk6 fi3FSt8UA17PdwLGLYdQ2RXhoktdL2wNxQ4Dw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-nvg-mailscanner-information :x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=K61Wnix2ldSWpQ+xDMYEE+EQpJ5bWqsclToJKc70zUAsNP93zOG8QxEj+w9JkFPeNh xjmyqlKKAlPZWQeROUPioaas+RSKJ6d8XZTbOMCGO1pFfnLX5CMDhLCYJE6+aIeFDm7j IowkjSPidQUmLM9vA6Xlzmf9jzfkvDIaV98O8= Received: by 10.91.203.22 with SMTP id f22mr543673agq.59.1269975384743; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:56:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.2.77 with SMTP id 13ls1430207ebi.0.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.37.193 with SMTP id y1mr694321ebd.19.1269975382371; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.37.193 with SMTP id y1mr694320ebd.19.1269975382326; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 17si347139ewy.3.2010.03.30.11.56.22; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:2a0:c9ff:feab:76e2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F27294783 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id o2UIuEQA028677 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:56:14 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id o2UIuBod028676 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:56:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 20:56:11 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. Message-ID: <20100330185611.GI3000@nvg.org> References: <8EE07369-765A-49AB-AEC4-1DEC1A904C37@gmail.com> <20100330090253.GG3000@nvg.org> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> <20100330142628.GH3000@nvg.org> <03BF9A66-9041-4FD8-A910-B8C691D646C5@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <03BF9A66-9041-4FD8-A910-B8C691D646C5@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/4fe9dbadf330f660 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 03:45:11PM +0100, Michael Everson wrote: > On 30 Mar 2010, at 15:26, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: >=20 > > Setting words in italics when they are preceded by the emphasis marker = =93ba'e=94 is fine, but when they appear on their own it looks illiterate. = (I presume you are merely copying the italics from some English master, and= the emphasis somehow got lost in the English-to-Lojban translation.) >=20 > "Very" is italicized twice by Carroll. I don't know what "when they appea= r on their own it looks illiterate" means. When words appear in italics on = their own it looks "illiterate"?=20 Adam Lopresto already said most of what I wanted to say in response to this= . Let me just add that an essential part of the Loglan/Lojban shtik is to m= inimize paralinguistic components of communication. We want all actual ling= uistic content to occur =93in-band=94, ie. as actual morphemes. Again, it is not your fault that the Lojban translation you're working with= failed to provide verbal emphasis. --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Inuktitut iis eesseentiiaallyy Fiinniish aas spooqqeen iin Greenlaand. --Clint Jackson Baker, via Essentialist Explanations --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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