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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/173894bf0b80d635 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636426519f4d3bc048309cf1a --001636426519f4d3bc048309cf1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Michael Everson wrote: > On 30 Mar 2010, at 16:57, Kevin Reid wrote: > > > However, I almost agree with the notion of capitalizing > that-after-the-=93i=94, rather than the =93i=94 on *aesthetic* grounds, o= f not > capitalizing the same letter all the time. > > I thought it an interesting idea too. 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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Michael Everson= <michael= .everson@gmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Mar 2010, at 16:57, Kevin Reid wrote:

> H= owever, I almost agree with the notion of capitalizing that-after-the-=93i= =94, rather than the =93i=94 on *aesthetic* grounds, of not capitalizing th= e same letter all the time.

I thought it an interesting idea too. But:

> In the case of connectives, =93i Ja abuboi=94 fe= els very wrong to me, as opposed to =93I ja abuboi=94 or =93i ja Abuboi=94.=

And then what happens to "i je nai ji=92a la Alis"?= One rationale about just using the "Sentence." convention mechan= ically is that it's just cosmetic. No additional parsing or decisions n= eed be made in that case.
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Well, the simple solution is just to follow the Lojban rule and not ca= pitalize anything, as in Lojban capitalization is *only* used for marking n= on-standard stress.

> (Note that this is written in the context of =93= If we capitalize, where do we put it=94, without necessarily approving of c= apitalization at all.)

I understand.

Michael

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