From 3XG-ySwoJBskyy00p1qxp7v1px0.r3103yqp2v33v0tv63947.r31@groups.bounces.google.com Tue Mar 30 14:39:01 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f155.google.com ([209.85.222.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3XG-ySwoJBskyy00p1qxp7v1px0.r3103yqp2v33v0tv63947.r31@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nwj9F-0001o4-Iz for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:39:01 -0700 Received: by pzk27 with SMTP id 27sf1955061pzk.2 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6clqm+RYYUNtpP36htZrB/niVywVCmSVm+i8kZAp9oE=; b=RHMs21iPxX/dJhusQJoBydTLfMDfFnU13I96p/x0dXDqvv9DDIr7sYyYVP+DCD581N hzVE7ByQWDjoAcqwULSjK2f9epW7NrdF8dxkNT3ccgSCW7yZOK1cdppfp7EWq9yUeTCu eJCc711weowJqfEyTHI70PMRBiKAgzHP6Jzv4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=K+geyN/oeoe1wfsiPcRkPI6e/oORdnvvu33qNbNCqvxEqrEHK1z11D1KLvpgo2PsjJ MCZQTzQilRb10S0C+PkwXa2Ty3fHL83YjdtTX+Zo5P6LDzDzKuWG2ELat+iAwb9ZQ5tj CXwmNWGWMcNns51/I32Y57D3TZ2Ja/27XsjcA= Received: by 10.141.12.7 with SMTP id p7mr366286rvi.21.1269985116347; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.187.12 with SMTP id o12ls3468215rvp.0.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.22 with SMTP id g22mr1127733rvb.19.1269985114938; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.140.83.22 with SMTP id g22mr1127731rvb.19.1269985114909; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f50.google.com (mail-vw0-f50.google.com [209.85.212.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si1298662pzk.6.2010.03.30.14.38.33; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.50; Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so243230vws.37 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.67 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <79614.64421.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4BB0D4DF.2070501@gmail.com> <20100330090253.GG3000@nvg.org> <59C6A282-0F28-4016-98C7-907FBD3C4379@gmail.com> <23298cb41003300332u6bde63fdk9f8b819fff7bf2ce@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003300803m6caec9f7y7a66b3bf9b71009b@mail.gmail.com> <32A2435D-5119-409E-8CAD-E5F899C5AAF1@mac.com> <9E58473C-A8AC-464F-826D-E44470D7F15F@gmail.com> <79614.64421.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 18:38:32 -0300 Received: by 10.229.97.147 with SMTP id l19mr1513870qcn.24.1269985113071; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:38:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17561003301438s3c8849cam720e481a8c0ac885@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/299031a634676b08 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:06 PM, John E Clifford wro= te: > 3. =A0As for capitalizing words that are not cmene but Lojban phrases, th= e easiest generally satisfactory way would seem to be to convert all the 'l= o's (but surely they all should have been 'le's) to 'la's. We(*) struggled a bit with this issue, whether "the White Rabbit" (and most of the other characters) should be "le blabi ractu" or "la blabi ractu", and I'm not sure that the final version is completely consistent. (In fact, I'm almost sure it is inconsistent across characters, but hopefully at least consistent for each character. The across character inconsistency should probably be fixed.) The problem is that the first appearance of the character is usually something like: ...when suddenly a White Rabbit with pink eyes ran close by her... Using "la" there is really awkward. Even "le" is iffy. But thereafter he becomes 'the White Rabbit'. It almost means something like "...when suddenly a white rabbit with pink eyes (hereafter known as 'the White Rabbit') ran close by her..." I think we ended up using "lo" the first time at least sometimes, and then "le" or "la", but using "la" throughout doesn't seem like a terribly appealing option. (*) "We" because I was not the only one doing the translation, even though I was responsible for the final revision, as this started as a community project. I know that two or three other people did a chapter or so each, but I don't remember who they were. I think Pierre was one of them. If you were one, and want to be acknowledged, speak up! mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.