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To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <09F5E427-6864-4339-9F27-6380D4EE0D93@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 68.142.199.122 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/62f96e395a91e500 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/7fc161161e51d8b4 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes. BTW thanks for the Latin Yiddish; after 50 some years, the Hebrew lett= ers still get me mixed up from time to time (Hebrews, Old-World Yiddish, Ne= w-World Yiddish -- and corruptions from standard German and failing eyesigh= t that makes all those square things look the same ). Sadly, the people I = need to keep using the old style for are not around anymore, so (happily) I= can use the Latin alphabet and speed up my reading (and actually do my wri= ting) by a factor of at least two. ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Everson To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, March 30, 2010 5:39:28 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] la .alis. On 30 Mar 2010, at 22:55, John E Clifford wrote: > Nice point. I don't see a solution except to shift after the introductio= n, a not-unheard of pattern (e.g. English 'a' and 'the'). Indeed, I notice that Bu=E9's French translation does this. Michael --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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