From 3hQCzSwgJBoQzlmv1i1wouiqt.kwutwrjivowwotmozw2x0.kwu@groups.bounces.google.com Wed Mar 31 00:58:21 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3hQCzSwgJBoQzlmv1i1wouiqt.kwutwrjivowwotmozw2x0.kwu@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nwsob-00010S-TN for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:58:21 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf19682670gyd.16 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:58:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=pfyNt1onJODw7F6YhFEzecIPVbP1xyRvlWAnJnyFNhA=; b=ibrYZ/KiXgstmxnP4wJM4FXuyDC8DuVrn29z0ghdJ4Q2iU2/DwpAjNJkawQyKoHZWB HA6g/ca6gzn0JlWJj5BnVkqdwa/cS6gtAbvTsnKCV75s/F55CJDH0nN2HHpG9yew1GAK 2ARf8NUdGQQteQXRWN2GnLUEneM3B8IriXq8Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=MmI82stVwfQIkRUTahsp/MCEiUguNE9ZKezkxz1kV1W3GkHr5FdCzy0YqBL1hpPzlR RhZbMjj45EGZG/2ZY8cWCM+q3fZCl3qlV0PfhgRWnIniXdPnAt1Le4CZWCidTHxXosls yPtq8mvL3CwzAcSu1UjyYSfpJoxYK3en7/GYA= Received: by 10.91.84.19 with SMTP id m19mr117652agl.42.1270022277184; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.32.206 with SMTP id e14ls160662bkd.2.p; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.13 with SMTP id n13mr493737bkn.1.1270022269584; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.10.13 with SMTP id n13mr493736bkn.1.1270022269291; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a10si7484559bkc.5.2010.03.31.00.57.48; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by mail-ww0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 22so6292058wwb.12 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.21.19 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100330221642.GC6084@digitalkingdom.org> References: <009D3D10-8631-4E7E-943E-A64F9BA43478@mac.com> <23298cb41003301358m1bfeb3d7jfe28bcabb16ae5d6@mail.gmail.com> <23298cb41003301428n4916c3cfx6e57889c50e84785@mail.gmail.com> <20100330221642.GC6084@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:57:47 +0200 Received: by 10.216.91.4 with SMTP id g4mr427094wef.207.1270022268028; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 00:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Michael Everson, What Do You Want From Us? From: Remo Dentato To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/b548fd0eaf4c6a85 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/23d02f2d11e47865 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d99f6f2488070483141ab9 --0016e6d99f6f2488070483141ab9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > What he was *asking* was whether there was a reason that he, as LLG > President, needs to keep up with a *huge* email thread (I myself > stopped reading it about two days ago; I simply have too many other > demands on my time). > > But you previously said it was *not* speaking as the LLG president. My English can be seriously broken but in his first email the tone was personal. That said, the only reason I might have over-reacted is that I really like the language and I'm sorry to see one of the longest and debated discussions on this list for a long time ended with a "tell us what you want and go away" argument. That's the best way to kill a community. > I routinely have to choose between fixing Lojban problems and doing > the work I'm actually paid for and eating a meal, because I don't > have time for all three. > I fully understand as this is common for everyone involved in non-profit activities. Nobody is expecting that things get changed overnight and nobody asked anything to LLG or made any unreasonable request. That's what I meant with "nobody forces you", if any formal request would have generated, it would have been sent to llg-board@lojban.org (if I remember the address correctly). You (collectively) may decided that I'm just a rude troll out of nowhere or may take this reaction as coming from somebody who cares and would like to see the language moving forward. I just felt the need of point out that the community would need *more* proposals about the language not less. Even if 99,9% of them would have been rejected there is the chance of getting a 0,1% improvement. remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6d99f6f2488070483141ab9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Robin = Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
What he was *asking* was whether there was a reason that he, as LLG President, needs to keep up with a *huge* email thread (I myself
stopped reading it about two days ago; I simply have too many other
demands on my time).


But you previously said i= t was *not* speaking as the LLG president. My English can be seriously brok= en but in his first email the tone was personal.

That said, the only= reason I might have over-reacted is that I really like the language and I&= #39;m sorry to see one of the longest and debated discussions on this list = for a long time ended with a "tell us what you want and go away" = argument. That's the best way to kill a community.
=A0
I routin= ely have to choose between fixing Lojban problems and doing
the work I'm actually paid for and eating a meal, because I don't have time for all three.
=A0
I fully underst= and as this is common for everyone involved in non-profit activities. Nobod= y is expecting that things get changed overnight and nobody asked anything = to LLG or made any unreasonable request. That's what I meant with "= ;nobody forces you", if any formal request would have generated, it wo= uld have been sent to llg-board@loj= ban.org (if I remember the address correctly).
=A0
You (collectively) may decided that I'm just a rude troll out = of nowhere or may take this reaction as coming from somebody who cares and = would like to see the language moving forward.=A0 I just felt the need of p= oint out that the community would need *more* proposals about the language = not less. Even if 99,9% of them would have been rejected there is the chanc= e of getting a 0,1% improvement.

remod

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